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Hearing about a New Yorker story coming up that's all about radiation detectors the Gov want's to create a ring around our ports and then fan out in an ambitious plan.
1> ought to be great news for whoever makes the detectors...
2> all this nuke talk is spooking me out. Starting to get a real bad vibe about our future--
 
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Hearing about a New Yorker story coming up that's all about radiation detectors the Gov want's to create a ring around our ports and then fan out in an ambitious plan.
1> ought to be great news for whoever makes the detectors...
2> all this nuke talk is spooking me out. Starting to get a real bad vibe about our future--
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RAE is the company that sells most of networked detectors. Stock price very cheap. If you found out they're getting the contract you could score big.

"spooking you out"? if you only knew 1% of the horror stories i know ...

i could tell you about the FedEx package of brachytherapy seeds that went into their Memphis hub in 2001 and got lost somewhere. it was filed as an HMIR with DOT. they never found the package. someone stole it from the FedEx hub even though it was flagged as a special Class VII cargo with personal escort every foot of the way ... to be delivered in a placarded truck.

or look up the old Metzler book on Medical Treatment of Radiation Emergencies and you can read about the only known (back then ~1980) case of child abuse involving radiation.
 
God damn BioB last freakin night I turned on the TV and there it was again CNN doing a big nuke piece. This is heating up and I know the government is preparing us all for something. All this recent nuke dirty bomb pub it's not by accident nothing ever is. Take a look at this link: http://www.nukepills.com/potassium-iodide.htm

Not sure if these are the Akorn pills are they different?
Kids can take them so I think I may put an order in just to be safe we'll never be able to get them is something does go down. I've heard of one particular horror story about a shipping container that went through a foreign port and set off all the radiation detectors but still got shuttled so far into the loading system they didn't find it. Then a supersecret Nuke response team Black helicopters anyone! These guys do not mess they stopped five ships in the open seas and only found the container 5 days later it was filled with radioactive scrap but it highlights the faults in our system even when ASE detectors are in place.

RAE you say on the detectors? I bet she moves like a well oiled stripper next week. ~ stoney
 
something funny here. it won't let me quote your post, SI, but i can post a general reply to the thread.

Potassium iodide (KI) pills are blocking agents, not the clearing agents from Akorn. Other clearing agents are EDTA (for Pu and other heavy metals) and Prussian Blue (for cesium and thallium).

You can buy KI at any health food store without a Rx. If it's potassium iodide it's the same as the Rx drug for radiation emergencies which NY state has stockpiled near Indian Point.

KI "works" if you take the pill BEFORE any radio-iodine released gets into your system. The iodine is "sucked up" by your thyroid so that when you inhale or ingest things like I-131 and (the ~1-day T1/2) I-133 the thyroid will not soak it up because it can only hold so much iodine. Those radioiodines decay to tellurium, which can cause ARS.

KI is essentially a "competitive blocker" for only radio-iodines. Taking KI is pretty much a band-aid, not a tourniquet when it comes to saving lives .... reason being that even if a person't thyroid is totally fried from an I-131/I-133 intake, the tissue will atrophy and be cleared and the person can live the rest of their life taking thyroid hormones, just as if they had their thyroid "ablated" because they had an overactive thyroid or had thyroid cancer-- the most effective treatment is to destroy the thyroid and they do it by giving the person radioiodine in a special clinic set up to deal with radioactive patients.

Radio-iodine is short-lived with half-lives ranging from seconds to the roughly 1 week T1/2 of I-131, I-131 and I-133 are produced by nuclear fission and are short-lived so the only way you'd get any significant intake is from a reactor generating power which experienced an accident with containment failure ... or from the nuclear yield of nuclear weapon.

KI would do no good for any practical RDD unless they used I-129 (which has an extremely long halflife) and so a very low specific activity. Radioactivity is inversely proportional to half-life, all things equal.

Check out RAE and try to find out if they're bidding on this contract for NYC. There is some competition, but RAE has a significant cost advantage over anyone else due to their manufacturing things in China. RAE has had some problems, but their equipment meets the quality standards for nuclear safety applications.
 
Yea The Akorn pills are better you can take them after the event. I imagine I'm going to have to get some plastic in the house asap.
Under the five-year contract, HHS has the option to purchase up to 500,000 additional doses of Ca-DTPA and 500,000 additional doses of Zn-DTPA.

Won't those additional requests be the next shoe here?

Akorn, Inc., has an exclusive marketing and distribution license agreement for the United States with Hameln Pharmaceuticals, Gmbh, of Hameln, Germany. Hameln Pharmaceuticals is the only manufacturer with Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval for Ca-DTPA and Zn-DTPA to treat internal contamination from radioactive elements. FDA granted Hameln Pharmaceuticals orphan drug exclusivity for seven years beginning Aug. 11, 2004, the date of approval of its New Drug Application.

Ca-DTPA and Zn-DTPA are chelators used to treat internal contamination with radioactive isotopes of plutonium, americium or curium. Chelators are compounds that react with metals and form stable ionic complexes, allowing the body to safely expel the metal-chelator complex. Ca-DTPA and Zn-DTPA will be used to treat those exposed through contamination from the detonation of a radiological dispersal device ("dirty bomb"), improvised nuclear device, or terrorist attack against stored radioactive material.
 
>I spoke with the company:
Mr. Chen. Are you pleased with RAE's radiation products?Should I expect to see continuing demand for them.
As response agencies are becoming more concerned about the threats of a radiation incident, we are continuing in the development of our RAEWatch mesh radio sensor platform and have now begun a trial of a new fixed version of this technology.

What can you tell me about your ability tech wise in the nuclear area?

Radiation Technology?

Yes.

We have developed technology for alpha, gamma and neutron particle detection.
These technologies are incorporated into highly sensitive instruments capable of
detecting low levels of radiation on a real-time basis which makes them ideal
for border control applications. This is in contrast to dosimeters, which are
used in nuclear plants to protect personnel from long-term radiation exposure.

Our scintillating crystal-based sensors detect low levels of radiation and are
ideal for detecting illicit trafficking of radiological material. Our
cost-efficient, low-power consumption devices enable us to address
low-maintenance, long-term stability requirements in the law enforcement and
first responder markets.

Wow. Can you here and now confirm that you are involved in this Bioshield project?

No comment. Where did you say you were from again?

Elite Trader...

Hello?
 
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Yea The Akorn pills are better you can take them after the event. I imagine I'm going to have to get some plastic in the house asap.
Under the five-year contract, HHS has the option to purchase up to 500,000 additional doses of Ca-DTPA and 500,000 additional doses of Zn-DTPA.

Won't those additional requests be the next shoe here?

Akorn, Inc., has an exclusive marketing and distribution license agreement for the United States with Hameln Pharmaceuticals, Gmbh, of Hameln, Germany. Hameln Pharmaceuticals is the only manufacturer with Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval for Ca-DTPA and Zn-DTPA to treat internal contamination from radioactive elements. FDA granted Hameln Pharmaceuticals orphan drug exclusivity for seven years beginning Aug. 11, 2004, the date of approval of its New Drug Application.

Ca-DTPA and Zn-DTPA are chelators used to treat internal contamination with radioactive isotopes of plutonium, americium or curium. Chelators are compounds that react with metals and form stable ionic complexes, allowing the body to safely expel the metal-chelator complex. Ca-DTPA and Zn-DTPA will be used to treat those exposed through contamination from the detonation of a radiological dispersal device ("dirty bomb"), improvised nuclear device, or terrorist attack against stored radioactive material.
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no other shoe. Akorn is playing a totally different type of exercise. it's like comparing yoga to football.

it's apples and oranges comparing chelating (or other clearing/blocking) agents like KI/Prussian Blue/EDTA or DTPA/beer for tritium/ on the one hand ... to, on the other hand, the radio-protectants like Neumune and Protectan (both of which are claimed to help the body deal with the damage already caused).

the two kinds of agents are totally different. to put it simplistically, thoe "apples" work with simple chemistry and you could test them in the lab on cells in culture ... or with low doses of "tracers" that would give a person only a very small dose of radiation.

the second set (the oranges) interact with the BIOLOGY of the organism, so they have to be tested on live animal models exposed to radiation. ARS drugs need to be tested with lethal doses of radiation so they're fundamentally different from the blockers/clearers.

plutonium, americium or curium are long-lived. they don't cause ARS. they're loosely called "actinides." unless it's Pu-238 from an RTG (Google "pu-238 rtg") you don't get ARS from Pu, Am, or Cm. but Np-239 is the oddball because of its short halflife.

ARS is caused by penetrating external radiation delivered at high dose rate and intakes of high specific-activity fission products such as I-131/-1333, many telluriums, Sr-89/-90, Cs-134/-137, ... things called "fission products." think about that fissile atom of Pu-239 or U-235 ... well, when it fissions, it literally breaks into two atoms (usually, but three is possible), so the average atomic weight of the fission products is around half the atomic weight of the fissile material. and the atoms created from that "splitting" are (mostly) radioactive, so they throw continue beraking up with (not fission), but simple radioactive decay, throwing off photons and neutrons in the process to decay to other radionuclides. Google "radioactive decay chain*" and it will explain it. Search within those results by adding "fission product fissile."

until very recently, EDTA was the chelating agent of choice for Pu. they used EDTA back in the Manhattan Project.
 
Oh MAN this story won't die!!!

(CBLI) Cleveland Biolabs announces that it has received a contract from the Defense Threat Reduction Agency of the Department of Defense to fund "development leading to the acquisition" of its lead radiation countermeasure compound, Protectan CBLB502, in collaboration with the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute, which has also received significant independent funding for work on Protectan CBLB502. CBLI's development grant is expected to be between $1.3 and $2.4 mln.

BioBottom where art thou??
 
Stoney, PM him. He's been trying to contact you. He doesn't want to post anymore. I think he still surfs this board, but he hasn't posted in a long time. I'll tell him you asked for him.
 
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