Just to prove gun control nuts are full of shit

[RedDuke]

Quote from BSAM:

A person doesn't have to enthusiastically embrace what is happening, but a person should recognize what is happening and understand as brother Bob Dylan told us many years ago, the times, they are a-changin'.

Wise words.

 

[BSAM]

Quote from RedDuke:

Then they immediately need to start a petition to allow bazookas for citizens, since AR15 and the like will not help in such situations.

I've long told the AOWM that I should be allowed to have a shoulder fired missile launcher, because under the constitution I am allowed to have it.
But, the AOWM want to interpret the constitution according to what suits them at the moment.
Common sense got nothing to do with the conversation.

 

[Trader666]

No, you originally wrote that the AR-15 "is a disguised m16." It is not.

I just gave you a reason, the purpose of the Second Amendment. The fact that you still have your head up your ass doesn't negate it.

Quote from RedDuke:

AR15 is a modified version of M16. It is less deadly but a military grade weapon nonetheless.

Once again, I am a strong supporter of right to bear arms. This does not means a citizen needs semi automatic rifle and high capacity clip.

 

[RedDuke]

Quote from AAAintheBeltway:

I've told this gun control fanatic this at least three times, but here goes again.

There is no functional difference between an AR or AK and a semi-auto hunting rifle or shotgun. The so-called assault weapons have pistol grips and flash supressors. Typically they have bigger magazines.

I'll grant that having a bigger magazine, say 30 rounds versus 10, can be an advantage. You don't have to carry as many spare mags. Now who is more likely to have spare mags loaded and at the ready? A crazed school shooter or some homeowner awakened by crashes at 2:00AM?


He says ten rounds is enough. Most times, that will be right. Consider though that national statistics show that police miss from 20 to 50 percent of the time in gun fights. These are trained professionals. Now granted, these are largely handgun misses, but if a trained policeman, who gets lots of top instruction and range time, misses that often, the average citizen is going to be worse.

Ten rounds can go pretty quickly in a standoff or if there are multiple intruders. It's even worse with a handgun.

Someone posted a video a few weeks ago of an attempted robbery at what appeared to be a trading arcade or PC cafe. An old guy in the back came out firing with a small handgun and chased the would-be robbers off. At the time, i pointed out he probably used up his ammo and questioned what he would do if he didn't have a spare mag. I wouldn't want to be in that situation.

Totally see your point. That is why I talk about balance between our rights and safety.

I believe with all my passion that anyone who owns a firearm should train on how to use it. I go to range at least once a month, sometimes twice or 3 times, ammo is really cheap.

This will solve 10 bullet per clip issue for the most part. Btw, a lot of cops do not train regularly and try to avoid sniper status. When I was shown their firing exam, I was shocked.

 

[BSAM]

Quote from RedDuke:

AR15 is a modified version of M16. It is less deadly but a military grade weapon nonetheless.

Once again, I am a strong supporter of right to bear arms. This does not means a citizen needs semi automatic rifle and high capacity clip.

Oh, no, brother Duke.
Oh, no.
I'm sorry, brother Duke, no moderation is allowed here in ET P&R.
You got to be either an AOWM or a liberal.
LOL

 

[RedDuke]

Quote from Trader666:

No, you originally wrote that the AR-15 "is a disguised m16." It is not.

I just gave you a reason, the purpose of the Second Amendment. The fact that you still have your head up your ass doesn't negate it.

I misused a word, meant to say modified.

Why insults all of a sudden? 2nd amendment does not talk about bazookas, why not allowing them?

2nd amendment gives us the right to bear arms. It is up to the government and the supreme court of the land to define what constitutes as Arms.

 

[RedDuke]

Quote from BSAM:

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You got to be either an AOWM or a liberal.
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This part of the problem that we face as a nation unfortunately.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

Quote from Trader666:

No, you originally wrote that the AR-15 "is a disguised m16." It is not.

I just gave you a reason, the purpose of the Second Amendment. The fact that you still have your head up your ass doesn't negate it.

He's a fanatic. No amount of facts or logic will persuade him. An AR or AK is considered by many home defense experts to be the ideal home defense weapon. Better than a pistol and better than a shotgun. They're more accurate, handle more easily and pose less of a threat of overpenetration. They look scary to liberals though, so that will trump any contrary facts.

Anyway, the onus is not on those of us who wish to keep our constitutional rights and maintain our moral right of self defense.

Liberals always want to burden the responsible, law-abiding members of society. I haven't heard one proposal from them about closer monitoring of mentally disturbed people or requiring mental health pprofessionals to report possibly dangerous people. They would fight that kind of thing tooth and nail. They are even against drug testing of welfare recipients. It stigmatizes them, they claim.

And of course, they bitterly oppose the one thing that has been proven effective in stopping mass killings, concealed carry.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Quote from RedDuke:



2nd amendment gives us the right to bear arms. It is up to the government and the supreme court of the land to define what constitutes as Arms.

This will be the battle I was referring to a couple days ago, which is why if I were the NRA I'd want a seat at the negotiating table. They lose that seat if they take a hard line position that "arms" means anything they want it to mean.

 

[Trader666]

Because you're being an obtuse, disingenuous moron by posting as if your pointy headed, feel-good "ideas" should trump the Second Amendment, while claiming you support it. I told you its intent and either you've ignored that or can't grasp it but either way, your "thinking" is clearly at odds with it.

Quote from RedDuke:

I misused a word, meant to say modified.

Why insults all of a sudden? 2nd amendment does not talk about bazookas, why not allowing them?

2nd amendment gives us the right to bear arms. It is up to the government and the supreme court of the land to define what constitutes as Arms.