Just to prove gun control nuts are full of shit

Quote from Lucrum:

Except that mine are backed up with studies and statistics neither you or any other anti gun guys have even tried to refute.Then it's not disputable either.


Here are two different opinions/studies on your 0.7% point:

In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) published the "Following the Gun" report.[18] The ATF analyzed more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to be the second leading source of illegally diverted guns in the nation. "Straw purchasing was the most common channel in trafficking investigations."[19] These investigations involved a total of 84,128 firearms that had been diverted from legal to illegal commerce. All told, the report identified more than 26,000 firearms that had been illegally trafficked through gun shows in 212 separate investigations. The report stated that: "A prior review of ATF gun show investigations shows that prohibited persons, such as convicted felons and juveniles, do personally buy firearms at gun shows and gun shows are sources of firearms that are trafficked to such prohibited persons. The gun show review found that firearms were diverted at and through gun shows by straw purchasers, unregulated private sellers, and licensed dealers. Felons were associated with selling or purchasing firearms in 46 percent of the gun show investigations. Firearms that were illegally diverted at or through gun shows were recovered in subsequent crimes, including homicide and robbery, in more than a third of the gun show investigations."

In contrast, a Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) report on “Firearms Use by Offenders” found that only 0.8% of prison inmates reported acquiring firearms used in their crimes "At a gun show," with repeat offenders less likely than first-time offenders to report acquiring firearms from a retail source, gun show or flea market. This 2001 study examined data from a 1997 Department of Justice survey of more than 18,000 federal and state prison inmates in 1,409 State prisons and 127 Federal prisons.[20][21] The remaining 99.2% of inmates reported obtaining firearms from other sources, including "From a friend/family member" (36.8%), "Off the street/from a drug dealer" (20.9%), "From a fence/black market source" (9.6%), "From a pawnshop," "From a flea market," "From the victim," or "In a burglary." 9% of inmates replied "Don't Know/Other" to the question of where they acquired a firearm and 4.4% refused to answer.[21] The Department of Justice did not attempt to verify the firearms reported in the survey or trace them to determine their chain of possession from original retail sale to the time they were transferred to the inmates surveyed (in cases where inmates were not the original retail purchaser).[22]

Your example is just a study not a hard core fact.
 
Quote from Lucrum:

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Lunatics don't need guns to massacre people.


Yep, and all those kids in China are alive. My point exactly. Some lives would have been saved had it not been due to AR15.
 
Quote from Trader666:

Nor do liberals need facts or logic to emote their pointy headed agendas :p

Hard core facts and opinions are in totally different buckets.

Still waiting for for at least one real reason for semi automatic rifles and high capacity clips are needed for citizens. Come on guys, give at least 1 real reason.
 
Quote from RedDuke:

Hard core facts and opinions are in totally different buckets.

Still waiting for for at least one real reason for semi automatic rifles and high capacity clips are needed for citizens. Come on guys, give at least 1 real reason.

They think they are going to attack the tanks and drones.
 
Quote from RedDuke:

Hard core facts and opinions are in totally different buckets.

Still waiting for for at least one real reason for semi automatic rifles and high capacity clips are needed for citizens. Come on guys, give at least 1 real reason.

They are waiting the return of the Redcoats, or Red China, or the Russians, or the Arabs!

Somebody is always coming over that hill for the war they wish to fight but never signed up for.
 
Quote from 377OHMS:

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Its a weird disregard for data and data products that express what is happening in the real world. The lefties believe that some idea must be true based on their feelings and somehow rationalize that the data is incorrect or misinterpreted.

My point exactly about semi automatic weapons and high capacity clips, just change a word lefties with righties.
 
Quote from Trader666:

Wrong. M16s have, in addition to a semi-automatic mode, a fully automatic mode or a 3 round burst mode (in later models). AR-15s only fire in semi-automatic mode.

How about the intent of the Founding Fathers? Which was for the right to bear arms to be a paramount right with which to protect all other rights.

AR15 is a modified version of M16. It is less deadly but a military grade weapon nonetheless.

Once again, I am a strong supporter of right to bear arms. This does not means a citizen needs semi automatic rifle and high capacity clip.
 
Quote from RCG Trader:

They are waiting the return of the Redcoats, or Red China, or the Russians, or the Arabs!

Somebody is always coming over that hill for the war they wish to fight but never signed up for.

:)
 
A person doesn't have to enthusiastically embrace what is happening, but a person should recognize what is happening and understand as brother Bob Dylan told us many years ago, the times, they are a-changin'.
 
Quote from BSAM:

They think they are going to attack the tanks and drones.

Then they immediately need to start a petition to allow bazookas for citizens, since AR15 and the like will not help in such situations.
 
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