John Arnold and the death benefit

[Lucrum]

Quote from drownpruf:

You're directly comparing Obamacare and slavery, in the sense that both were upheld by the Supremes....

They both WERE in fact upheld by the court. as in "law of the land" and that sort of thing. It's been weeks since any of the usual libtards around here avoided answering a question, the way you are now.

Too complicated for ya? Forget slavery and the supreme court then. What IS an acceptable method to you for the republicans and their tax paying constituents to delay the disaster known as Obamacare?

 

[drownpruf]

Quote from Lucrum:

They both WERE in fact upheld by the court. as in "law of the land" and that sort of thing. It's been weeks since any of the usual libtards around here avoided answering a question, the way you are now.

Too complicated for ya? Forget slavery and the supreme court then. What IS an acceptable method to you for the republicans and their tax paying constituents to delay the disaster known as Obamacare?

I'm ok with Cruz strapping a bomb to his chest. I don't see it as much of a stretch.

I brought up the Constitution and I'll hazard a guess that you would label yourself a strict-constructionist. So how do you feel knowing that your heroes (the majority of which) were slave-owners?

I mean, you being a historian and all.

 

[drownpruf]

Quote from fhl:

didn't you read my answer? medicare doesn't pay for itself. it is subsidized by the rest of society so it doesn't need death panels. they get all the health care they need because someone else helps pay for it.
in obamacare, there is nobody else left to pay for it because the whole country is the insured.

what exactly is there about that that you don't understand?
do you need a flowchart?

Yeah, your comment is nonsensical; all of it is subsidized in one way or another. Either through poaching of the GRF or other means. It's certainly not covered by contributions. At least that's the appeal of the ADA -- that full coverage allows for sound underwriting.

 

[drownpruf]

Quote from fhl:

they get more than they pay for. their contributions don't cover the cost of medicare. the taxpayer makes up the balance.

is it any wonder why seniors love that program and would squawk if it went away?

but when the whole country is the insured there isn't any more 'outside parties' to fund what obamacare doesn't cover.

thus, benefits will have to be limited. or premiums will go sky high.

That's why the GOP is illegitimate; as they're the first to bitch about entitlements yet would go full-on militia if you try to take it (Medicare) away. Supposed hawks who fully realize that it's not sustainably-funded, but don't give a fuck. Same goes for welfare; predominate in the red-states.

 

[PiggyBank]

Quote from drownpruf:

...Please do not insult us by mentioning Medicare being wholly funded by contributions. Now that would be comical.

What's really comical is:

Quote from drownpruf:

Yeah, I am ok with death panels...

... but you aren't ok with people dying because they can't afford coverage. LOL yea i would rather have a group of fucking bureaucrats decide when my parents time is up. Americans pay for their own food, shelter and clothing but for some reason health insurance is so vital that everyone has to kick in to keep it 'affordable' because old folks like your rich uncle don't want to pay more for it. please.

 

[drownpruf]

Quote from PiggyBank:

What's really comical is:


... but you aren't ok with people dying because they can't afford coverage. LOL yea i would rather have a group of fucking bureaucrats decide when my parents time is up. Americans pay for their own food, shelter and clothing but for some reason health insurance is so vital that everyone has to kick in to keep it 'affordable' because old folks like your rich uncle don't want to pay more for it. please.

It's sarcasm, and obv the ACA has no pre-existing condition exclusions, which relates to "aging-out" which is already covered by Medicare. omfg, really? It's about as likely as seeing mainland Siberia from Palin's yard. Is there anyone to converse with that doesn't have their head up their ass and calling it constipation? Tsing?

 

[fhl]

Quote from drownpruf:

. Same goes for welfare; predominate in the red-states.

Thats an old canard that is nothing more than a bald faced lie. The welfare rolls are in the cities of red states and those cities are overwhelmingly democrat. If you looked at welfare, crime, and every other form of depravity and deviancy known to mankind, it is happening in the cities. Democratically owned cities and counties.

You are full of shit.

 

[drownpruf]

Quote from fhl:

Thats an old canard that is nothing more than a bald faced lie. The welfare rolls are in the cities of red states and those cities are overwhelmingly democrat. If you looked at welfare, crime, and every other form of depravity and deviancy known to mankind, it is happening in the cities. Democratically owned cities and counties.

You are full of shit.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_reck..._guess_who_benefits_more_from_your_taxes.html

Truth hurts. And these are not major metros. The lie is that it's centralized in cities; cities in rural America, eh? Direct from Tax Foundation http://taxfoundation.org/staff



Nations Top Ten list. Only NM and VA are blue. I left-out population stats on the largest city in states where the majority of bennies are to govt workers (AK and VA).




1. New Mexico Indian reservations, military bases, federal research labs, farm subsidies, retirement programs. Albuquerque: 555k residents. Blue state.

2. Mississippi Farm subsidies, military spending, nutrition and anti-poverty aid, retirement programs. Jackson: 175k residents

3. Alaska Per capita No 1 recipient of federal benefits; infrastructure projects, DOT and pork projects.

4. Louisiana Disaster relief, farm subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, military spending. NOLA: 343k residents

5. W. Virginia Farm subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid. Charleston: 51k residents!

6. N. Dakota Farm subsidies, energy subsidies, retirement and anti-poverty programs, Indian reservations. Fargo: 110k residents

7. Alabama Retirement programs, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, federal space/military spending, farm subsidies. Birmingham: 212k residents

8. S. Dakota Retirement programs, nutrition aid, farm subsidies, military spending, Indian reservations. Sioux Falls: 160k residents

9. Virginia Civil service pensions, military spending, veterans benefits, retirement, anti-poverty aid. Blue State.

10. Kentucky Retirement programs, nutritional and anti-poverty aid, farm subsidies. Louisville: 598k residents

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us/even-critics-of-safety-net-increasingly-depend-on-it.html?_r=0

 

[drownpruf]

How about "Joe the Plumber?" More like Joe the welfare queen.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from drownpruf:


Truth hurts.

Is that why you so eagerly ignore it atticASS?