Jack Hershey's Drill number 1

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Quote from makosgu:

Having look at both Grob and Prof stuff in detail (ie. flowcharts of both), it was interesting to note that both were forms of SCT (the end of a trading opportunity is also the beginning of the next trading opportunity).

One can look at Proflogic/Charlie Dow's stuff/post. His too is SCT and 100% objective across the 4 fractals he rides. I have looked at both completely and understand the single overlap which is the FTT!

Both use two fractals CONCURRENTLY to trade the slower fractal. It is absolutely astonishing how both started along two different paths and wound up realizing a framework that takes CAPITAL out of the market CONTINUAL and SEAMLESSLY (ie fist over hand). Both will tell you that the screw up is the trader, not the framework (ie. EQ). They have both done the IQ. Similarly, both individuals get the same amount of flack for something that they had both developed completely themselves...

Admittedly, both are passionate about what they do. I have seen the FULL BLOWN schematic of both. Prof has gone as so far as to create a complete textbook that has been revised several times over for ITERATIVE IMPROVEMENTS! How can this be that two differing paths wound up with the realization that the trading market, by definition, will always be a SEAMLESS and CONTINUOUS stream of money???!!!

Go the Prof route if you need to simplify to a single tool and total PROGRAMMABLE objectivity. Both are in fact objective. One just requires a bit more fine tuning but also rewards for fine tuning...

MAK!

Good post MAK......
 
Easyrider's profits come from trading Rockets which are hardly a Hershey invention (am I correct easy?).

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I dont think Jack has ever claimed to have invented rockets. That would be ludicrous. He simply points out that the best time for a beginner to enter the market is when it is moving stongly in one direction and gives a couple of aids to help them know when a trend is beginning. Then he introduces washes and volume as a fine tuning aid. He has his own names for some things but he just points out what occurs over and over again in the market. Whether someone "gets it" or not is something he cant control. Obvioulsy he did not invent sct either since many people have been doing it for a long time. Big players and market makers do it all the time so I dont see why it is so difficult for people to believe that it can be done.
 
In an article linked on a recent thread here Taleb talks about what he learned in the months he spent in the pits talking about how the locals, led by the stronger players move from squeeze to squeeze. They take it as far as they can in one direction then take it back the other way. If you can detect these shifts as they are occuring you can front run them but you are talking expert level monitoring skills which most of us will never attain.
 
Quote from skif:

Let me put an addition to your post specially for gpzany.

When a trader is on the beginning stage of career his/her primary goal is consistency. Trading is business. When the beginning stage is passed trader's goal is developing his/her business. Business growth can be either vertical or horizontal. In case of trading:

1. Vertical growth - you trade one market (ES for ex.) and look deeper and deeper into it. In final your trading become fine-tuned, up to the tick. Your goal is maximize profit expressed in % of daily range.
It is the case of Jack Hershey's SCT. It is near impossible but also needless to trade multiple markets this way.

2. Horizontal growth - you can trade multiple markets using relatively coarse methods. You don't use advanced stuff - leading/lagging pairs, DOM and etc.
It is the case of ProfLogic's SCT. His stuff is much coarser than Jack's but it is the door to "horizontal growth" of trading business.

You can choose between two SCT methods depending on preference - how do you want to grow your trading business, either vertically or horizontally.

So, gpzany... If your choice is #2, you don't have much time to contact ProfLogic, because 31 May 2006 is the last date to become a member of his community and receive the book containing his method.

It is very good to see that some people here have identified the positive correlation between ProfLogic's stuff and Jack's stuff. I have taken the time to learn both, and it is well worth it to me.

Regards
Oddi
 
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Big players and market makers do it all the time so I dont see why it is so difficult for people to believe that it can be done.

i doubt this. big players or mm move volumes that for sure couldn't be handled with such a style. not even in the es i'd say.

i recently talked to somebody from a prop firm who told me that the best traders there make $6 million a year trading es intraday - BUT - they trade 50 times a day with about 300 lots - so do the maths and you get a result of $20K per year/lot - which is about $80 per day/lot - and that as mentioned with 50 trades per day.

so don't tell me that big players make 30 pts. or so per day/lot. CONSTANTLY - because nobody will ever believe this.
 
I like the comments by Scientist in the Sexy Idea thread:


"SCT is nothing particularly revolutionary, either - Large traders, institutions etc have been using it for a long time. "Market makers" use a very similar approach on almost any issue. The basic ground principle is about having positions open in several time fractals synchronously, in order to maximize profit potential in each given fractal trend. Many large players do just that - They use moving fractal envelopes that encapsulate various fractals. As each fractal's individual trend keeps moving, money is being extracted along crucial waypoints on one end of the fractal, while new money is being infused on the other. Eventually, the trend will finish completely (flaws become frequent as faders are having a go at the trend), at which point the respective trades in the envelope will wash (go completely flat). After the wash, we stay either flat in that fractal until a new trend is defined as arising, or we simply reverse the envelope position(s) straight away, which is the ideal approach. I am currently myself learning to do that, and while it's demanding to become really good at, it can boost your profit-potential by several hundred % in comparison to trading just one timeframe. In fact, if you trade one timeframe only, even given SCT standards of staying in a trend until flaws occur, you will still give up over 80% of your daily profit potential - and this can be mathematically proven."
 
Quote from easyrider:

I like the comments by Scientist in the Sexy Idea thread:

yeah - Scientist - he was the no.1 smarta** of all times her on et - somebody in his early 20's who is probably the best trader who will ever live on this planet.

... believe whatever he says.
 
yeah that's more or less my approach, intense durin' the first 2hours after the openin' and on the last hour of the tradin' day..i usually keep boucin' between 2-3instruments and try to squeeze a .5-1% or more per trade...obviously losses come along the day and sometimes they pair the gains because the instruments i trade are very volatile, but sure not every day the stocks i watch have multilpe trends so i have to adapt takin' very few position trades or none at all and scalp much more...lately it has been a struggle due to lack of clear setups and liquidity/volumes makin' readin' trends much more difficult.
 
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