Its is time for the President to Pardon himself and others

Buy1Sell2 said:
Actually it will. The president is popular with bulk of America.
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Tony Stark said:
When AAA says Trump should tell voters to put pressure on congress it is very relevant that the voters didn't vote for Trump nor do they approve of Trump
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Looks to me like he is doing pretty well without the support of the voters in Calinoisyork. Get right.
 
jem said:
your argument is wrong o

1. FACTS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States'_presidential_plurality_victories

The popular vote in an American presidential election was first fully recorded and reported in the election of 1824.[1] Since then, 19 presidential elections have occurred in which a candidate was elected or reelected without gaining a majority of the popular vote.[1] The following is a list and description of those elections in which a candidate won the election with a plurality of the popular vote. The elections of 1824, 1876, 1888, 2000, and 2016 are not on this list because in those elections the winning candidate actually received less than a plurality.[2]

2. half the country does not vote anyway so winning or losing a popular vote by a million illegal voters in CA and NY does not mean anything in terms of his taking the message to the people.

I would argue that his message resonates with 70% of the people. Although he himself may not.
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You might benefit from looking up the definitions of "majority" and "minority". I use, unless specially qualified, the word "majority" in the general sense as defined in the Oxford English dictionary. (My fourth grade teacher, Miss Caudron, was British.)

From the Oxford English Dictionary. [underlining is mine.]
Definition of majority in English:
majority
noun
  • 1The greater number.

    ‘in the majority of cases all will go smoothly’
    as modifier ‘it was a majority decision’
  1. 1.1British The number by which the votes cast for one party or candidate exceed those for the next.
    ‘Labour retained the seat with a majority of 9,830’
  • 1.2 A party or group receiving the greater number of votes.
  • 1.3US The number by which votes for one candidate are more than those for all other candidates together.
  • 2mass noun The age at which a person is legally a full adult, usually either 18 or 21.

    ‘kids get control of the money when they reach the age of majority’
  • 3The rank or office of a major.
Usage
Strictly speaking, majority should be used with countable nouns to mean ‘the greater number’, as in the majority of cases. Use with uncountable nouns to mean ‘the greatest part’, as in I spent the majority of the day reading, is not considered good standard English, although it is common in informal contexts

Phrases
  • be in the majority

    • Belong to or constitute the larger group or number.

      ‘publishing houses where women are in the majority’
Origin
Mid 16th century (denoting superiority): from French majorité, from medieval Latin majoritas, from Latin major (see major).

Pronunciation
majority
/məˈdʒɒrɪti/
 
did you read your citation piezoe?

if you scroll down in the very citation you provided - you see the US definition...

  • 1.3 US The number by which votes for one candidate are more than those for all other candidates together.
so while your usage may have been correct in a parliamentary system...

Trump and Clinton were running in the US system..
In the US system... per your definition Clinton did not get a majority of the votes...











piezoe said:
You might benefit from looking up the definitions of "majority" and "minority". I use, unless specially qualified, the word "majority" in the general sense as defined in the Oxford English dictionary. (My fourth grade teacher, Miss Caudron, was British.)

From the Oxford English Dictionary. [underlining is mine.]
Definition of majority in English:
majority
noun
  • 1The greater number.

    ‘in the majority of cases all will go smoothly’
    as modifier ‘it was a majority decision’
  1. 1.1British The number by which the votes cast for one party or candidate exceed those for the next.
    ‘Labour retained the seat with a majority of 9,830’
  • 1.2 A party or group receiving the greater number of votes.
  • 1.3US The number by which votes for one candidate are more than those for all other candidates together.
  • 2mass noun The age at which a person is legally a full adult, usually either 18 or 21.

    ‘kids get control of the money when they reach the age of majority’
  • 3The rank or office of a major.
Usage
Strictly speaking, majority should be used with countable nouns to mean ‘the greater number’, as in the majority of cases. Use with uncountable nouns to mean ‘the greatest part’, as in I spent the majority of the day reading, is not considered good standard English, although it is common in informal contexts

Phrases
  • be in the majority
    • Belong to or constitute the larger group or number.

      ‘publishing houses where women are in the majority’
Origin
Mid 16th century (denoting superiority): from French majorité, from medieval Latin majoritas, from Latin major (see major).

Pronunciation
majority
/məˈdʒɒrɪti/
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jem said:
per your definition Clinton did not get a majority of the votes...
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Sorry. I did not make myself sufficiently clear. That is not my definition. I'm using the first definition given; not the third. The first definition is the standard definition on both sides of the Atlantic and is used both in everyday and political discourse. Most people, there are exceptions of course, are capable of discerning from context which definition is being used. Glad to be of help.
 
I am sure that after eight long years of war with Britain, the Founders intended any questions about presidential elections to be settled by a British Dictionary rather than the Constitution.

Then again, possibly not.
 
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so not only are you using the wrong definition of majority for the US system... you are changing the word you used from minority to majority in hopes you can confuse all the readers?

look your argument was meaningless. the winner 19 times has had less than the majority vote per the us definition. Yet they still have run the country as President. Sometimes they did it well. .

That trump was also won with a minority of the vote... and at the same time even had fewer votes than hillary is a distinction without a difference. Especially in light of the fact hillary got almost all that 2.1 million votes in CA. (or whatever the exact number of probably illegal votes was.

piezoe said:
Sorry. I did not make myself sufficiently clear. That is not my definition. I'm using the first definition given; not the third. The first definition is the standard definition on both sides of the Atlantic and is used both in everyday and political discourse. Most people, there are exceptions of course, are capable of discerning from context which definition is being used. Glad to be of help.
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jem said:
so not only are you using the wrong definition of majority for the US system... you are changing the word you used from minority to majority in hopes you can confuse all the readers?

look your argument was meaningless. the winner 19 times has had less than the majority vote per the us definition. Yet they still have run the country as President. Sometimes they did it well. .

That trump was also won with a minority of the vote... and at the same time even had fewer votes than hillary is a distinction without a difference. Especially in light of the fact hillary got almost all that 2.1 million votes in CA. (or whatever the exact number of probably illegal votes was.
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I use the standard definition of "majority" and the standard definition of "minority". Please feel free to redefine these common English language words. I'm OK with that, as long as you're happy. Just as long as you don't start using "utilize" to mean "use", I'm pretty much OK with whatever, sweetheart..
 
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