Its is time for the President to Pardon himself and others

heisenbern said:
Whomever is pardoned by Trump (or his successor) including himself, loses their fifth amendment rights from the pardon date on.

These people might escape the first time around through the miracle of the pardon. But there will be a second inning where if any of them are asked extremely difficult questions on anything they were not originally charged for, it is nearly impossible not to incriminate yourself when you have no fifth to fall back on.

Therefore, the strategy for Trump and confidants is, counter intuitively, to have it all come out at once, so that there is nothing left for future possible questions to get them in trouble in the absence of a reneged fifth. Their reputation will be ruined forever. No one will touch anyone associated with the Trump administration with a ten-foot pole from then on. But it beats jail.

At this point, they are playing no-limit Hold'Em, and they went all in.
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ABSOLUTELY NAIVE AND UNINFORMED SPECULATION
 
heisenbern said:
Whomever is pardoned by Trump (or his successor) including himself, loses their fifth amendment rights from the pardon date on.

These people might escape the first time around through the miracle of the pardon. But there will be a second inning where if any of them are asked extremely difficult questions on anything they were not originally charged for, it is nearly impossible not to incriminate yourself when you have no fifth to fall back on.

Therefore, the strategy for Trump and confidants is, counter intuitively, to have it all come out at once, so that there is nothing left for future possible questions to get them in trouble in the absence of a reneged fifth. Their reputation will be ruined forever. No one will touch anyone associated with the Trump administration with a ten-foot pole from then on. But it beats jail.

At this point, they are playing no-limit Hold'Em, and they went all in.
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What you fail to realize is that any pardon would be done as a "blanket" pardon and there would be no charges for anything that may have occurred. More importantly though---There is nothing to be pardoned for. Time to move on.
 
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Regarding all the Dem prosecutors in Mueller's team

It is illegal under DOJ rules to consider political activities / contributions when hiring employees . Mueller would be violating DOJ policy if he considered political affiliation when hiring his team.

It appears that 7 of Mueller's 25 prosecutors have donated a combined total of $ 53,000 to Democrats through the years.

Now.. compare that to the enormous amount that Trump has given to Democrats , including Charlie Rangel, John Kerry , Anthony Weiner , Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.

Donald Trump's political donation history to Democrats
Federal Contributions $328,600
State Contributions $366,150
Total Federal and State Contributions $694,750
Federal Contributions, 1989-2010 $328,600
Federal Contributions, 2011-Present 0
State Contributions, 1989-2010 $367,650
State Contributions, 2011-Present $8,500
https://ballotpedia.org/History_of_Donald_Trump's_political_donations
 
AAAintheBeltway said:
Yeah, it's almost like they think the Cold War is over and we won and we don't really have any reasons to be enemies with Russia or something. Some of them even claim we share common interests in things like confronting terrorism. Shocking. I mean, if we don't have Russia to be our enemy, how are we going to justify these massive increases in the defense budget?

These Trump morons need to also think about the ramifications of their statements. If we begin to publicly question the wisdom of the Bush/Obama/Clinton endless war policy, those yokels in flyover country might not be quite so eager to send their sons and daughters to get killed or get arms and legs blown off "defending our freedoms" and "making the world safe for democracy". We're not going to be able to start WW III with transsexuals alone.
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You're right. What a bigly great idea. This president has no reasons to be enemies with Putin "or something".
So he must refuse all evidence of any cyber attack on the US electoral system by Russia, because he won. Undermine US intelligence, attack CIA integrity , go paranoid on the FBI , liken them to Nazis. Then acknowledge there was a cyber attack on the U.S. electoral system by Russia. That's what any sane US president would do.

Next he should move on to disclosing highly classified intelligence to Russian diplomats and envoys. Release sensitive information provided by allies on the understanding it goes no further, to a Russian Foreign Minister. Create undisclosed back-door communications with Russian former counter-intelligence operatives and a known money launderer.
Then this unique strategist of a president must hold unsupervised discussions with the leader of Russia where the only other person 'in the room' is another Russian. From there the should share code-word intelligence information with Russian Officials in the Oval Office.

He must give out highly sensitive, highly classified information about fighting terrorism and ISIS to top Russian personnel and blame the free press for reporting it. Follow it up with an outburst about intentions to harm the presidency while the presidency in all its mad ignorance and self-concern, goes about harming America.

All things any patriotic president would do to avoid anything like a Cold War with a dictator who wants to expand territory and push Russian influence in Europe and the Middle East and shape American policy any way he can.

To these Trump morons (your words) there is no middle ground between cold war and appeasement so Yeah, Let's Make Russia Great Again.
 
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OddTrader said:
2 Wars!



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_George_W._Bush_administration

Budget deficit and national debt


The U.S. fiscal position changed dramatically for the worse during the Bush years. CBO projected in its January 2001 baseline that the U.S. would have a total of $5.6 trillion in annual surpluses over the 2002-2011 decade, assuming the laws in place during the Clinton era continued and the economy performed as expected. However, the actual deficits during those years ended up being $6.1 trillion, a negative swing of $11.7 trillion. Two recessions, two wars, and tax cuts were the primary drivers of the differences
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imo, just looking forward rather than backwards, the US should have no enemies, in order to act as the world's policeman.

A peaceful and prosperous world can be ahead if the US can work happily with all other countries anywhere in the world.

Trump could be the right person to resolve the North Korea issue within a reasonably time-frame, under the current circumstance. Perhaps all other issues can be viewed as just minor ones, by wise politicians, if this peaceful objective can be attained soonest.

Earlier attainment could save $4 trillion per year. Two new wars could cost another $11 trillion.

Then Trump can focus on national economy, productivity, heath care and employment, that he promised to do for the goodness of the US and the world.

No man is perfect, but the man needs to perform! LOL


United States federal budget - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget - Cached - Similar
During fiscal year 2016, the Federal government received approximately $3.3 trillion in tax and fee revenue and had outlays (spending) of $3.9 trillion; the difference was a $587 billion deficit.
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OddTrader said:
imo, just looking forward rather than backwards,
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That's why the Democrats, as usual without ceasing, should now focus on national economy, productivity, heath care and employment, "that he promised" to do for the goodness of the US and the world.




Juan Williams: Dems finally focus on message
By Juan Williams - 07/24/17


The new plan presents Democrats as the party creating jobs; offering job training; keeping healthcare costs low while making college affordable; and pushing higher wages including a hike in the minimum wage. The plan is called: “A Better Deal — Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages.”

http://thehill.com/opinion/juan-williams/343391-juan-williams-dems-finally-focus-on-message

Juan Williams is an author, and a political analyst for Fox News Channel.

The views expressed by contributors are their own and are not the views of The Hill.
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