It’s hard to understate how poor Trump’s Iran policy is going

viewers refer to quote above. thank you.


Well, this is a bit of a trip down memory lane and water over the dam and I am not up for the full trip but just as a reminder the whole history of the Iran deal is bit more serpentine than you noted, although in your defense there is plenty of snakiness to note so it is hard to cover it all.

Part of the background, actually the essence of it, was that Obama did not have the votes for a treaty even though you referred to it as a treaty for shorthand. As you noted, even some key dems in his circle did not support it and he certainly did not have the votes to get it approved in the Senate. Thus there was no treaty as defined by the Constitution.

Obama deal with this by re-framing it as the "Iran Deal" rather than treaty. Yeh, as I said "serpentine." Thus he went forward with it as something allegedly approved and entered into by the United States and marketed it that way, even though it did not carry the weight and backing of a formal treaty. His thinking of course was that we would have a dem president during and after his term and, what the hey, they will not reverse it. That would take someone like Trump who could never get elected.

The price he paid for snaking around like that was that it left the next president with the power to pull the plug on it without senate approval and without having to make his case to anyone. It is messy business though. It requires the rest of the world to understand what I just said when they were still thinking treaty and it became a distinction without a difference. So I dont mind dinging Trump on this but Obama was the one that took us into snake village by misrepresenting the level of force and approval behind the deal.

You’re blaming Obama for misrepresentation when GWB is now representing the deal needed congressional approval? Come on.

Good for you for even mentioning Trump getting a ding, however he deserves much more because Iran simply turned their nuclear program back on and started to increase nuclear material faster than ever after Trump pulled out.

Come to think of it, our local Middle East expert, GWB, is very much in line with the Trump philosophy on that. He thinks if you make a bunch of threats Iran will just fold up like a lawn chair. Didn’t work out so well for Trump though did it?
 
lol. As if this is even a well founded argument. How did the Iranian nuclear deal not get overturned in the court if it “required” “congressional approval?”

Just to keep tally of the bullshit you’re trying to inject into this discussion you’ve made two very big false claims now about the nuclear deal: 1. The money given to Iran was not their own money from an arms deal and now 2. That it required congressional approval.

As noted by TreeFrogTrader --- since this "Iranian Deal" was not a Treaty or legislatively approved by the Congress in the manner required by law -- it was simply an Obama Executive Action. This allowed Trump to overturn the Executive Action easily.

Sadly this entire "Deal" was marketed by Obama & Kerry as a Treaty to our partners and Iran. Seeing what they were sold on as an "International Treaty" unilaterally eliminated without cause undermined the international community's faith in the U.S.

There are two Presidents that bear responsibility for this. The first is Obama for pushing what is obviously an International Treaty without Congressional approval -- this should never have been done. The second is Trump who overturned the "Treaty" on whim which undermined the international community's faith in the U.S. as a partner in agreements.
 
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As noted by TreeFrogTrader --- since this "Iranian Deal" was not a Treaty approved by the Senate in the manner required by law -- it was simply an Obama Executive Action. This allowed Trump to overturn the Executive Action easily.

Sadly this entire "Deal" was marketed by Obama & Kerry as a Treaty to our partners and Iran. Seeing what they were sold on as an "International Treaty" unilaterally eliminated without cause undermined the international community's faith in the U.S.

There are two Presidents that bear responsibility for this. The first is Obama for pushing what is obviously an International Treaty without Congressional approval -- this should never have been done. The second is Trump who overturned the "Treaty" on whim which undermined the international community's faith in the U.S. as a partner in agreements.

Ok, now it’s 3 very big false claims. In no way was this deal “marketed” as a treaty. As a matter of fact there was much discussion about that the time being a weakness of it but as tft stated the likelihood of a president actually pulling out would take a crazy long shot like a dope like Trump winning to happen. No one with half a brain would have pulled out of that deal. It was a good deal because our interest was to stop Iranian nuclear development not control hostilities in the Middle East.
 
Good for you for even mentioning Trump getting a ding, however he deserves much more because Iran simply turned their nuclear program back on and started to increase nuclear material faster than ever after Trump pulled out.

Heh, you believe that?

Never was a day when they did not work full speed ahead. Never lost a beat.

And they love Trumps cancellation of the deal (the sanctions not so much) because it allows them to shake a dem administration down again and get some bucks to fund terrorists and pump up their sorry arse economy.

Rinse and repeat.
 
Ok, now it’s 3 very big false claims. In no way was this deal “marketed” as a treaty. As a matter of fact there was much discussion about that the time being a weakness of it but as tft stated the likelihood of a president actually pulling out would take a crazy long shot like a dope like Trump winning to happen. No one with half a brain would have pulled out of that deal. It was a good deal because our interest was to stop Iranian nuclear development not control hostilities in the Middle East.

Let's see what CNN has to say...
Iran deal: A treaty or not a treaty, that is the question
https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/12/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-treaty-obama-administration/index.html

While we are at it -- let's see what John Kerry had to say in the Washington Post.
Even John Kerry says the Iran deal is not legally binding
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ry-says-the-iran-deal-is-not-legally-binding/

Of course... there is the Obama administration's attitude towards the Constitution.
Obama Administration: Constitution's Treaty Clause Is Dead
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/kerry-says-iran-deal-not-treaty-because-it-would-fail/
 
Let's see what CNN has to say...
Iran deal: A treaty or not a treaty, that is the question
https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/12/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-treaty-obama-administration/index.html

While we are at it -- let's see what John Kerry had to say in the Washington Post.
Even John Kerry says the Iran deal is not legally binding
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ry-says-the-iran-deal-is-not-legally-binding/

Of course... there is the Obama administration's attitude towards the Constitution.
Obama Administration: Constitution's Treaty Clause Is Dead
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/kerry-says-iran-deal-not-treaty-because-it-would-fail/

Nothing in any of these links says the deal was represented to be a treaty. They say the opposite.
 
Heh, you believe that?

Never was a day when they did not work full speed ahead. Never lost a beat.

And they love Trumps cancellation of the deal (the sanctions not so much) because it allows them to shake a dem administration down again and get some bucks to fund terrorists and pump up their sorry arse economy.

Rinse and repeat.

The only thing true above is that Iran loved when the nuclear deal was ended by Trump. The rest completely fabricated.
 
The only thing true above is that Iran loved when the nuclear deal was ended by Trump. The rest completely fabricated.

Yeh sure, that part where I said that Iran looks forward to shaking another dem administration down for more money for their sorry arse economy and to fund terrorists. Fabricated?

Let the viewers decide.

Cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching and everyone who is not in a lefty trance state knows it, which explains why you do not.


Cha-ching, cha-ching.
 
The only thing true above is that Iran loved when the nuclear deal was ended by Trump. The rest completely fabricated.
I'm not even sure that is the case (not even the heads of state who have to deal w/the headaches of embargos), certainly not loved by the majority of Iranians.
 
I'm not even sure that is the case (not even the heads of state who have to deal w/the headaches of embargos), certainly not loved by the majority of Iranians.

Same deal with Cuba. Just like the Cuban government will endure poverty to hold on to power The Iranian theocracy wants nukes to ensure their form of government continues despite impoverishing the people.
 
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