It's going down: Michael Cohen Claims Trump Approved of Trump Tower Meeting With Russians
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Please provide your analysis of how this law applies to Trump.
I don't believe this law could apply to most oppo research for multiple reasons
1. It has never been used by prosecutors in such a manner to my limited knowledge, and
2. It would violate the constitution with respect free speech and communication of ideas, and
3. It would set bad policy in that it would help keep the criminal actions of politicians secret.
But, lets have fun and see to whom this law best fits.
We know per my previous link that Hillary:
1. Paid Steele through an intermediary.
2. She received something of value
3. She and her intermediaries were the solicitors.
With respect to Trump:
1. Trump or his campaign was the solicitee, not the solicitor.
2. We have been told he did not get the intel so he received nothing of value.
3. Trump was not even in the meeting. (this is a throw away argument to counter your argument about hillary using lawyers.)
In conclusion while I don't think that law applies to hillary, it almost certainly does not apply to President Trump given what we currently know.
I don't believe this law could apply to most oppo research for multiple reasons
1. It has never been used by prosecutors in such a manner to my limited knowledge, and
2. It would violate the constitution with respect free speech and communication of ideas, and
3. It would set bad policy in that it would help keep the criminal actions of politicians secret.
But, lets have fun and see to whom this law best fits.
We know per my previous link that Hillary:
1. Paid Steele through an intermediary.
2. She received something of value
3. She and her intermediaries were the solicitors.
With respect to Trump:
1. Trump or his campaign was the solicitee, not the solicitor.
2. We have been told he did not get the intel so he received nothing of value.
3. Trump was not even in the meeting. (this is a throw away argument to counter your argument about hillary using lawyers.)
In conclusion while I don't think that law applies to hillary, it almost certainly does not apply to President Trump given what we currently know.
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You guys are going down the wrong road.
In the matter of Clinton and Trump its all about registered foreign agency.
To put things into perspective Steele is a good guy who has worked with US Intelligence agencies for things like tracking terrorists and taking down the fifa bribe scandal. There is no question as to his bona fides- same team.
The Russian government is a known enemy. You all may recall there was some debate as to whether Russia was the greatest enemy of the US or al qaeda. But there is no question - opposing team.
Also, what about legality of the foreign agents. Is steele paying intermediaries legal? Why, yes it is because what he paid for was not illegal.
Now how about advertising on social media by a foreign agent to benefit a candidate in an election? It depends. Are you a foreign agent? If yes, are you registered with the US government to engage in electioneering? If no, illegal.
How about hacking the emails of a campaign? That’s plainly illegal.
All together, it’s clear the Russians were acting illegally now did the trump campaign aide or abet, or conspire in those activities is a question for Mueller.
To end this on ahappy note here is a picture of Mueller doing some shoe leather field work spying on Trump jr. Reading a paper just like they did in the 1950s.
In the matter of Clinton and Trump its all about registered foreign agency.
To put things into perspective Steele is a good guy who has worked with US Intelligence agencies for things like tracking terrorists and taking down the fifa bribe scandal. There is no question as to his bona fides- same team.
The Russian government is a known enemy. You all may recall there was some debate as to whether Russia was the greatest enemy of the US or al qaeda. But there is no question - opposing team.
Also, what about legality of the foreign agents. Is steele paying intermediaries legal? Why, yes it is because what he paid for was not illegal.
Now how about advertising on social media by a foreign agent to benefit a candidate in an election? It depends. Are you a foreign agent? If yes, are you registered with the US government to engage in electioneering? If no, illegal.
How about hacking the emails of a campaign? That’s plainly illegal.
All together, it’s clear the Russians were acting illegally now did the trump campaign aide or abet, or conspire in those activities is a question for Mueller.
To end this on ahappy note here is a picture of Mueller doing some shoe leather field work spying on Trump jr. Reading a paper just like they did in the 1950s.
Again, how can you not understand the difference receiving a DONATION versus PAYING someone for a job.
Hillary according to you GAVE MONEY TO RECEIVE something of value, how is that same as to RECEIVE something of value for FREE?
As for you wanting a legal precedence, here it is
https://cg-519a459a-0ea3-42c2-b7bc-fa1143481f74.s3-us-gov-west-1.amazonaws.com/legal/aos/72021.pdf
"If, however, Mr. Hochberg imparts poll result information to you or anyone else working for your campaign, including any data or any analysis of the results, or if he uses the poll information to advise your campaign on matters such as campaign strategy or creating media messages, such poll information will constitute an in-kind contribution from Mr. Hochberg to your campaign, and an expenditure in an equal amount by your committee. 11 CFR 106.4(b). See also 11 CFR 104.13(a) and (b). The amount of such a contribution will be determined by calculating the share of the overall cost of the poll allocable to that particular information. Cf. 11 CFR 106.4(e). A determination as to the overall cost of the poll in its entirety will be premised upon the decreasing valuations presented in 11 CFR 106.4(g)."
Not to mention, Steele went to the FBI with the info he got - Don Jr on the other hand lied about it constantly for a year including lying about it on his security clearance forms (which includes Kushner) and then lied to Congress again.
Right. The lies show his mens rae. It will all come together if they have a case on him.
LOL, everyone i don't like is a NAZI, a TRAITOR, anything else?
Hey Slart - what did your ragged Colombian skank nuke for you this morning?
Please post - we are all dying to see.
1. Trump could argue he was paying his people to develop info. Just like your argument regarding Steele. Remember we read he was solicited.
But, you keep missing this point.
As far as we know Trump got nothing from russians via an intermediary.
Hillary got info from foreign agents through an intermediary.
But, you keep missing this point.
As far as we know Trump got nothing from russians via an intermediary.
Hillary got info from foreign agents through an intermediary.
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That is an advisory opinion so it not precedent.
Polling data is obviously distinguishable from the current situation.
But it does make a good new argument that when Hillary's people received Russian intel from Russians she should have reported that donation to the committee and that by accepting it she may have committed a crime.
By Mueller's recent standards that could be a fraud against the United States.
https://cg-519a459a-0ea3-42c2-b7bc-fa1143481f74.s3-us-gov-west-1.amazonaws.com/legal/aos/72021.pdf
Polling data is obviously distinguishable from the current situation.
But it does make a good new argument that when Hillary's people received Russian intel from Russians she should have reported that donation to the committee and that by accepting it she may have committed a crime.
By Mueller's recent standards that could be a fraud against the United States.
https://cg-519a459a-0ea3-42c2-b7bc-fa1143481f74.s3-us-gov-west-1.amazonaws.com/legal/aos/72021.pdf