Iterative Refinement

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My 12:45 bar does not form a FBP.
Sorry. I saw your chart colored it black and (should have been red if lower low - which is what I had) that is why I thought maybe you had a FBP
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Also, the down traverse starting at 12:35 ends at 13:05. I placed text concerning this area on my chart. It is certainly worth discussing further, however, since it doesn't fit the traditional form of a traverse.
Yes I am still trying to figure this out.

Quote from jbarnby:

I read your text on the down traverse...and I see your point. However, how are we to recognize this in real time? I'm sure we can find numerous examples where this pattern would not qualify as a traverse. What makes this sequence unique?
I didn't mean to say that the FBP would have made it a traverse. I am still trying to figure it out. The possibilities I was thinking are: 1) The FBP might have make it a sequence but since guava said it was not a FBP I will exclude that possiblitiy. 2) the volume cycling that guava mentioned I have to see what he means.
 
I've been playing with the idea that every bar is meaningful and I should have an expectation at the close of the bar.

The yellow arrows on the chart is my expectation for the next bar. The red and black arrows are my FORREST trade signals. THe chart was created by a real time simulation of today's price action. I would of done fantastic today cause of the extreme moves.

TYpically I might be a bar off or a little slow in my analysis and conviction before I take a trade and overall have a small gain or loss.

5pt chart scale.
 

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Quote from 8833broc:

I've been playing with the idea that every bar is meaningful

Wise decision, and excellent analysis. Note the areas where you (due to your current level of experience) failed to 'see' WMCN with certainty. In these areas, you walked through all scenarios and waited for the market to indicate the correct action.

Nicely done.

- Spydertrader
 
Quote from dkm:

Not at the traverse level. If you can see a signal for change that I have missed I would be grateful for your input.
what I observed there was a sigificant spike in volume. It is an intersting study to note these throughout the day (how they occur, where in the sequences they occur, what times of the day, etc...) and how price behaves proceeding them.
 
Quote from jbarnby:

I read your text on the down traverse...and I see your point. However, how are we to recognize this in real time? I'm sure we can find numerous examples where this pattern would not qualify as a traverse. What makes this sequence unique?

Since I had not been aware of this situation occurring prior to today, a review of what seem like similar situations and their outcomes would be of interest.

I am fairly certain that my efforts to explain the down traverse of today (9-18-08) will fall short of being informative :p, I will attempt to explain my comments none the less.

12:30 bar breaks out of a pennant on IRV.

The :35 bar follows this with a BO of the lateral traverse (thus ending what was considered a "up traverse") and begins the requisite down traverse to complete the proper sequence of the conclusion of the previous lateral traverse as well as develop a channel. :confused: However, the :35 bar breaks out on DRV.

The :40 bar returns to IRV. This completes a volume sequence albeit not very convincingly.

The :45 bar creates an IBGS on DRV and is followed by the :50 bar that again has IRV. Volume sequence is completed again.

The :55 bar is another IBGS on DRV which is followed by the 13:00 bar which also has DRV but a close outside the range of the previous bar. Flag is raised as this is a traverse level signal of change.

The :05 bar is a inside bar with IBV, which is also a Traverse level signal of change.

The :10 bar confirms the traverse level signal of change with IBV and Price moving up sharply, and up we go.

This period 12:30 to 13:05 is or was for me, difficult to determine because the non dominant movement wasn't in one of the three forms we normally see it form (pennant, price retrace or lateral), but volume did however, create troughs throughout this period which were finally followed by traverse level signals of change.

My hope is that this explanation will be met with the approval of those who know, however, I do stand ready to be publicly flogged and humiliated for its inaccuracies
:D
 
Quote from Aurum:

This sounds reasonable - simple and elegant.

I started going back and putting together recent posts and charts where Spyder pointed them both out to see what I could see, and then the thought came to me: If it's not peak volume, then it would have to be a pace change. In other words, the final 2 consecutive bars have increasing volume, but do not have an increasing gaussian slope.

It can't be that simple, can it??

-Au

Peak Volume OR Pace Acceleration That is the question...

I was hoping to stimulate some more discussion regarding these concepts. Also, how does "Volume Surges" fit into these concepts. I often observe Peak Volume occur as an LTL end effect (or nearing) of an L2 traverse and/or L3 channel and Pace Acceleration occur during BO of L2, L3 channels. I also observe volume surges during turning points within L2 traverses (for instance a bar that slams up, creating an opening bar for LM retrace). Can anyone else comment on their observations and/or findings?
 
Wow, here is the 'free market' at work this morning, after short selling is banned 'temporarily' in the finacial stocks:
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