Iterative Refinement

Quote from LittleMac:

I definitely agree.... I'm not stereotyping the forum. I have gotten solid help from numerous individuals and have reread all of their advice again and again and shown my appreciation again and again. But sometimes you get an erie feeling that a few people feel that if you're not an absolute stud at the Hershey method, then you don't belong posting at all which is not the original intent of the majority of the people involved with these forums. Its like their placing you at the children's table during thanksgiving dinner and feeding you scraps while they sit with the rest of the elitists.

and I have never tried to deviate from the Hershey system or tried to disprove it in anyway. Ive read posts where people become the enemies and let me get this straight I'm not the enemy I'm a believer and I'm in it to win it. I don't try to be hostile in any questions I make. When I do something wrong I ask but sometimes you get that same 'ol feeling like someone is gonna tell you to go back to page one because they want nothing to do with you

I asked one question that could be answered in 12 words and got a go away answer from a number of people and a solid response from one. I wasn't trying to cause a commotion or anything but thats what it turned into.



Where were you on April 27 ?
Spyder gave you not 12 words, but 17 !!!
 
Quote from Spydertrader:

My point was simply this:

If you equate 'shown my appreciation again and again' with the words 'Comments Appreciated' then I honestly don't know where to begin the education process.

The bigger picture point which you also seem to have missed is this:

Your posts do not reflect the level of knowledge one receives from reading through the material. In fact, you once told me that an answer I provided didn't meet your needs.

So the reality of your situation is this: You have not read that which would have provided the answers you seek. Anyone who has, can easily see this.

- Spydertrader

In my opinion saying that you appreciated comments or answers to your original question is a way of expressing gratitude...i don't know what kind of psycho babble disproves that those words don't express graciousness but in my view its saying thankyou.

Also that post provides the perfect example that I never wavered from the fact that I have read the journals but cannot recite them. I have a good knowledge of the journals and can go back for many of my broader and more generalized questions such as the IAAC trade in Journal 3 which I mention in the post.... BUT I cannot take every question I have and go back in my head and spontaneously come up with a page that has the answer regardless of how frequent the answer is posted. Noone can.

You still haven't addressed this question.... why take the energy to post that "the answers are out there" or "go look through the journals" when you can give the answer in as many words. My level of skill or difficulty with certain annotations has nothing to do with refusing to respond to this question.

There's an answer to the question and either i can get it from someone who knows immediately in five to ten words or I can throw darts at the board (metaphorically speaking) until I find someone who answered the post in March of 2005....hopefully....Whats the logical choice for me here?.... Post the question
 
Quote from LittleMac:

In my opinion saying that you appreciated comments or answers to your original question is a way of expressing gratitude...i don't know what kind of psycho babble disproves that those words don't express graciousness but in my view its saying thankyou.

Also that post provides the perfect example that I never wavered from the fact that I have read the journals but cannot recite them. I have a good knowledge of the journals and can go back for many of my broader and more generalized questions such as the IAAC trade in Journal 3 which I mention in the post.... BUT I cannot take every question I have and go back in my head and spontaneously come up with a page that has the answer regardless of how frequent the answer is posted. Noone can.

You still haven't addressed this question.... why take the energy to post that "the answers are out there" or "go look through the journals" when you can give the answer in as many words. My level of skill or difficulty with certain annotations has nothing to do with refusing to respond to this question.

There's an answer to the question and either i can get it from someone who knows immediately in five to ten words or I can throw darts at the board (metaphorically speaking) until I find someone who answered the post in March of 2005....hopefully....Whats the logical choice for me here?.... Post the question

You should stop wasting your time now. It might be less painful to go away.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1900010&highlight=dictionary#post1900010
 
Quote from Tums:

Where were you on April 27 ?
Spyder gave you not 12 words, but 17 !!!

You're making the argument juvenile Tums....that post was almost has "giggling little kid"-like as your last post.
 
Quote from LittleMac:

It was "appreciated" not "appreciate", they mean the same thing too.... ones past tense though Tums. If that makes you roll on the floor in laughter then you have a sad and basic sense of humor.... Point is.... this turned into the most roundabout argument I have ever been in. Just expressing my displeasure, not a hater of the method not gonna do the cliche thing and say a lot of people agree with me because I have no facts to base that on. Just expressing a common fact about the direction of the thread lately.

It is funny that you claim no one wants to help but you don't remember Spyder answering this same question you asked on a different stock 10 days ago.

I am not sure if you even read replies to your posts.
 
Quote from LittleMac:

You're making the argument juvenile Tums....that post was almost has "giggling little kid"-like as your last post.


I can name at least 10 things people suggested to you to make your life easier, which you have ignored.
 
Quote from LittleMac:

You still haven't addressed this question.... why take the energy to post that "the answers are out there" or "go look through the journals" when you can give the answer in as many words.

Probably, because I answered your question in a previous post.

Listen, you obviously feel that a secret society exists where the goal is to make life difficult for those attempting to learn these methods. Nothing could be further from the truth. I spend a great deal of time, energy and effort responding to requests for information - as have numerous other contributors to these threads.

Nobody has an agenda for denegrating the beginner or laying the smack down on the new guy. Such thinking represents a failure to 'see' the facts and history of these discussions.

Why not simply review your own posting history, and see, if you don't repeat the same questions numerous times - even after receiving valid, true and accurate advice. I'll bet you'll notice a change in responses to you at about the six month of repeating the same questions over and over again.

In such an environment people begin to 'see' a pattern in such behavior, and historically, people have witnessed the exact same behavior from people who simply didn't bother doing the work required.

Fair or not, this is how things work, and this, is where we now find ourselves.

So, choose whichever logical path best suits your needs, but take a moment to think about your current world view before you head off towards the point of no return. Perhaps, this all results from a misunderstanding on the part of many - including myself - or perhaps, things really are as they seem. Whatever the real answer, at least now, people have expresssed their opinions, as well as, the facts which formed those views.

All that remains is a simple determination of - continuation or change.

- Spydertrader
 
Quote from ehorn:
Here is my interpretation;
The bar is an Outside bar and an IBGS on extreme volume with price volatility compression (not alot of price movement given the extreme volume). Volume (along with price behavior) is signaling change. But price has not yet broken out the SYM pennant/lateral movement. A BO on Volume will confirm direction.
I do not track this stock and would not know if other things affected the action today.
EDIT: Well here is yet another example of Volume leading Price.
Earnings news came out after hours:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=sncr

After Hours: 12.94 -9.96 / -43.49% Vol. 3.08 Mil


Quote from Spydertrader:

...Holding Equities through FOMC Announcements and Through Earnings Announcements represents a huge increase in risk. As such, I have repeatedly advised against it.

- Spydertrader


I guess it is ok if you are short.
 
Quote from bi9foot:

It is funny that you claim no one wants to help but you don't remember Spyder answering this same question you asked on a different stock 10 days ago.

I am not sure if you even read replies to your posts.

I asked it again because I didn't feel as though it answered my question. Read closely it asks if it was an IBGS and if I should be cautious since I was long. It is AN answer but it doesnt answer the question. The Jokari states if Volume is Up and price is Up the price will continue Up. This has volume that is Up but no movement either way. Thus my question was should I be cautious and I followed it up with the next question to further clarify.... where is this in terms of the Jokari which doesn't have a box for Increasing Volume when Neutral Price Occurs. Saying i don't read the answer to a question I posted sounds delusional to me. Maybe people really do assume no one has ever read a word of any of the journals when they post on the board. Ive read the journals I'm not here to argue that. Assuming one would have all the information stored in their head after reading it is ludacris. And even more ludacris is the thought that every answer should be accepted regardless of if you're still confused or not..
 
Spyder: Learn the sequences from Point One to Point Two to Point Three, and you'll, not only 'see' change, but know the reason to hold.

Thanks a million for your taking the time to explain in such a detail for me. This morning I wrote the above sentence on a 3X5 card and had it next to my laptop to remind me of the sequences. My annotating became very relaxing this morning - still a lot of mistakes but relaxing :) - I actually spotted bar 28 (11:45-11:50) as an FTT as it was forming - a great feeling to see that the FTT was confirmed by bar 29 :).

I have a question in one of your earlier posts though:

you said "The formation FBO (which also forms an FTT) provides a near perfect signal for change. Since we had a Short Dominant Channel, prior to, this signal, our binary system has just received a signal to head long. "

Would you elaborate on why a formation FBO (FBO=Failed Break Out?) provide a signal for change? I thought Failed Break Out means "continue". I understand the "FTT" part but not the "formation FBO" - Please forgive if my question is too basic.

I'd like to post my first ES chart - Most of it was done in the evening and with your advice in mind - My concentration was solely on channels to match Gaussians. I appreciate if you can comment on it.

No words can be used to express your patience and I greatly appreciate it.
 

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