Italy: 96% of Coronavirus Fatalities Had Other Chronic Illnesses

[jem]

I am going to wait and see before I give out kudos... We need more time.

There have been a few professors and some articles I have seen where the thesis is this virus burns out on its own and follows similar curves regardless of the intensity of the the shutdown... which only delay things a bit. I will be surprised by that... but it may follow a slow burnout. Once a place gets super spreaders under control and the most vulnerable are protected (or have died) ... what is Covid like then?

I think I need about of a two months worth of no shutdown data... before I we know if any of this was necessary after the first 2 to 3 weeks.

For instance where is Sweden going to be a month from now vs say CA or New York for Florida?

As I have said before, there are some lefty states that I will give credit to because credit is due.

One such state is Oregon. They have not had a covid related death in two days and it was down major before that so it is not just a fluke or reporting issue, and the number of new cases is below the last week in March. Unlike New Zealand, that is not easy if you are part of the larger geographical landscape that includes Washington and California which has had a lot of covid and Oregon has had no way keeping people out as New Zealand has had. What can I say- the commies have performed.

Similarly even though New York/Cuomo are lefties, I would not hesitate to give them credit if they had performed. The problem though is not that they are lefties. It is that they did not perform.

 

[Tsing Tao]

So in other words you having nothing to refute the study performed with a large data set. The study provides complete data, results, scripts, modeling and code -- so you can easily reproduce the results or identify which aspects you disagree with.

I don't have to have anything to refute your "study".

I have the Italian data and saying that these people should have lived another 10 years at least if it wasn't for Covid is nearly the dumbest thing you have posted. The only thing more idiotic was your claim that not practicing social distancing was the same as holding a gun to the head of your family.

 

[gwb-trading]

I don't have to have anything to refute your "study".

I have the Italian data and saying that these people should have lived another 10 years at least if it wasn't for Covid is nearly the dumbest thing you have posted. The only thing more idiotic was your claim that not practicing social distancing was the same as holding a gun to the head of your family.

The study included more data sets than just Italy.

 

[Tsing Tao]

The study included more data sets than just Italy.

Good for the study. I honestly don't care. You're essentially saying "who ya gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes?"

I have the Italian data. It is clear. You're trying to tell me things are vastly different everywhere else in the world, yet Italy was one of the sole reasons for the lockdown panic because of the data coming out of it was so scary. Now we find it was scary - if you were over 80 and very ill. And you are telling me your study doesn't include Italy? Or it includes Italy and those people (the over 80s) should have had at least another 10 years left?

That's all I need to hear to get a good laugh.

 

[Tsing Tao]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1265985379527622656

Look at the percentages in all the nursing homes. I wonder - did all of those people have at least another 10 years left to live, and Covid came and took all that away?

Uh huh.

 

[gwb-trading]

Good for the study. I honestly don't care. You're essentially saying "who ya gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes?"

I have the Italian data. It is clear. You're trying to tell me things are vastly different everywhere else in the world, yet Italy was one of the sole reasons for the lockdown panic because of the data coming out of it was so scary. Now we find it was scary - if you were over 80 and very ill. And you are telling me your study doesn't include Italy? Or it includes Italy and those people (the over 80s) should have had at least another 10 years left?

That's all I need to hear to get a good laugh.

You can easily download the data from the other nations in the study. It is all included. You are simply narrowly only considering data from one country which is disingenuous.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Nice try. I appreciate that you're doing your best to save face from your idiotic statements. But I don't support Trump and feverishly defend anything and everything he does. In fact, I'd challenge you to show me where I have in the last few weeks supported anything he does. \

Let's make a deal. You provide one statement of my support for Trump. I'll provide one statement of me providing one statement against. Whoever runs out first has to leave the forum, never to return. What do you say?

I mean, if you believe I'm so loyal to him this should be easy peasy, right?

Spike? Just wanted to re-post this offer in case you missed it. You went silent all of a sudden.

 

[Tsing Tao]

You can easily download the data from the other nations in the study. It is all included. You are simply narrowly only considering data from one country which is disingenuous.

So you're saying the data in Italy is an anomaly? Or isn't valid? Should the study you quoted apply to Italy or not?

 

[gwb-trading]

So you're saying the data in Italy is an anomaly? Or isn't valid? Should the study you quoted apply to Italy or not?

Italy is part of the entire data set. You should review the entire set in regards to the study if you disagree with it; not pick & choose the very few numbers that support your claims.

What you are doing is similar to selecting one 85 year old man with several comorbidities inlduing cancer - claiming that he was only live a couple months due to his other conditions -- and due to this the entire study showing 10 excess 10 years of life is incorrect.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Italy is part of the entire data set. You should review the entire set in regards to the study if you disagree with it; not pick & choose the very few numbers that support your claims.

What you are doing is similar to selecting one 85 year old man with several comorbidities inlduing cancer - claiming that he was only live a couple months due to his other conditions -- and due to this the entire study showing 10 excess 10 years of life is incorrect.

What is it I am doing? I don't understand your second paragraph at all.

I read the article.