You don't understand Israeli culture. There is NO SUCH THING as a cannon fodder IDF soldier. When the IDF takes casualties, the entire nation mourns. When IDF soldiers get taken hostage, the entire nation is nervous & agitated.
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Isreal has declared open war with Lebanon :D
- Thread starter mahram
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You don't understand Israeli culture. There is NO SUCH THING as a cannon fodder IDF soldier. When the IDF takes casualties, the entire nation mourns. When IDF soldiers get taken hostage, the entire nation is nervous & agitated.
To me,
The reaction seems out of proportion -- especially given the withdrawl of the settlements and the Hamas move towards de facto recognition of Israel.
When it was just the Palestinians I thought it might just be a case of "take what we offered as the alternatives are much worse." With the additional move into Lebanon I have to wonder -- esp given the "improving" situation there.
It could also be an attempt to establish a buffer zone in Lebanon in anticipation of an aggressive US movr in the Middle East -- I'm thinking Iran here.
We'll see over the month or so no doubt. Hard to do more than speculate when you're an outsider.
The reaction seems out of proportion -- especially given the withdrawl of the settlements and the Hamas move towards de facto recognition of Israel.
When it was just the Palestinians I thought it might just be a case of "take what we offered as the alternatives are much worse." With the additional move into Lebanon I have to wonder -- esp given the "improving" situation there.
It could also be an attempt to establish a buffer zone in Lebanon in anticipation of an aggressive US movr in the Middle East -- I'm thinking Iran here.
We'll see over the month or so no doubt. Hard to do more than speculate when you're an outsider.
It must be very difficult to be such a prophet, having such vision of the future, and not have people listen.
What a drag that must be...
What a drag that must be...
Quote from Rearden Metal:
<b>It only 'looked' that way to the ignorant & naive.</b>
I was warning Israelis about Arafat's fake treaties and "phased plan"* since 1993. Naturally, few listened.
*The PLO phased plan for the destruction of Israel: Get as much land as you can by signing whatever Israel wants. Once you have the land, attack the weakened and diminished Jewish State. During the Oslo accords era, Many PLO leaders (including Arafat himself) openly stated in Arabic that the peace treaties are just a means of accomplishing this phased plan.
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
It must be very difficult to be such a prophet, having such vision of the future, and not have people listen.
What a drag that must be...
Well, there is an upside to the ability.
I was flat broke and borrowing rent money from relatives at age 21... but a millionaire at age 24.
How about you?
Quote from gkishot:
There is no such thing as proportion in military dictionary - enemy sould be overpowered. Period. Proportion is a political term. What should be a proportional response?
Well,
A) The military does not direct policy it only implements it. Limiting your vocabulary to "military" terms only limits your options.
B) The entire history of the state of Israel demonstrates that the military option has only limited effectiveness.
More generally, coming down disproportionately hard now is likely to harden resistance rather than eliminate or reduce it. I suppose it's possible that the Palestinian and Lebanese peoples will eliminate the militia's as a result of Israel's attack but somehow I find that quite unlikely.
Just my $.02
Now only has your acute perception of events made you wealthy but also your tremendous ability to pull the trigger. You're an all to rare example of a truly bright guy being rewarded......
Quote from Rearden Metal:
Well, there is an upside to the ability.
I was flat broke and borrowing rent money from relatives at age 21... but a millionaire at age 24.
How about you?
Quote from ssternlight:
Well,
A) The military does not direct policy it only implements it. Limiting your vocabulary to "military" terms only limits your options.
B) The entire history of the state of Israel demonstrates that the military option has only limited effectiveness.
More generally, coming down disproportionately hard now is likely to harden resistance rather than eliminate or reduce it. I suppose it's possible that the Palestinian and Lebanese peoples will eliminate the militia's as a result of Israel's attack but somehow I find that quite unlikely.
Just my $.02
Military sends clear signals to those who direct policies on the other side. Anyway when it comes down to using military force I don't understand the notion of proportionality. Never read of it in history books. They say in the book: a la guerr come al guerra.
Oh, if only I could be like you and be dependent on drugs and Russian sluts....
Let's just say we have different value systems...
However, thanks for confirming the old addage, money can't buy either love, happiness or class...
Let's just say we have different value systems...
However, thanks for confirming the old addage, money can't buy either love, happiness or class...
Quote from Rearden Metal:
Well, there is an upside to the ability.
I was flat broke and borrowing rent money from relatives at age 21... but a millionaire at age 24.
How about you?