Isreal has declared open war with Lebanon :D

Tribes are not civilized.

The basic ego of Israel is a tribe mentality.

Same with the Palestinians. What we are seeing is tribal warfare, and it will continue unabated until something greater than tribe is valued.

Quote from buzzy2:

I like Streamlinetrade.

I also think that Israel, supposedly being the most civilized country in the middle east should act more civilized and measured, and learn to be more tolerant and try to get along with its neghbors. It seems to me that they like to retaliate a slap on the face with kicking punching and stabbing. And then conflict escalates out of control.

If jews and arabs are all barbarians, then they all deserve to shoot each other to death. Great, so we can colonize the middle east with western/christian culture. Then we will have peace.
 
This article appeared in Beirut's newspaper before Israel's retaliation began. Lebanese Muslims were rejoicing and celebrating the capture of the two Israelis.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=1&article_id=73926#


Thursday, July 13, 2006
Lebanese greet capture of 2 Israeli troops with spontaneous celebration
But some fear dire repercussions

By Leila Hatoum
Daily Star staff



BEIRUT: Thousands of Hizbullah supporters took to the streets on Wednesday to celebrate the capture of two Israeli soldiers, setting off fireworks and honking car horns throughout Shiite-dominated areas in the South, the Bekaa Valley and Beirut's southern suburbs.

Fireworks blended with gunfire in the suburbs and the nearby Bourj al-Barajneh Palestinian refugee camp, which were draped in Hizbullah's signature yellow flags with a smattering of Amal Movement green, as supporters paraded by car, bicycle, mini-van and on foot.

Abu Ali Moqdad, 62, said he joined the spontaneous demonstration "to show support for the resistance and to celebrate the morning's victory."

Moqdad told The Daily Star that as long as the Israelis continue to threaten Lebanon, "we have the right to make them live in fear and under threat as well."

Hajja Nabiha Abbas, 57, who is originally from the South but now lives in the southern suburbs, stood on the side of the road and ululated and clapped for the young men and boys who were lighting fireworks.

"May God bless [the resistance fighters'] souls and protect them; may they capture more Israelis to show them that we can fight for our land, and we are efficient in doing so," she said.

Some celebrations threatened to turn violent as automatic-weapons fire forced several residents to stay home for fear of stray bullets.

"People can celebrate all they want, but must not harm others," said Afaf, a housewife who was only prepared to give her first name. "The noise of fireworks is very disturbing, especially since I have two small children. This all reminds me of the days of war when people held guns and used to shoot in the air for no reason and other innocent civilians would get hurt from the stray bullets."

Not everyone was celebrating. Mahmoud Qassem said he feared that "the worst might happen with Israel's retaliation."

"We rejoice now, and after that, then what? Everyone is busy celebrating the capture of the two soldiers, but what will happen when Israel decides to heavily attack us?" he asked.

"Apparently the Lebanese have forgotten the Israeli air strikes and 'Grapes of Wrath' attacks in April 1996, which killed hundreds of Lebanese and injured hundreds more," Qassem added.

Even in the South, which initially welcomed the news, a Daily Star correspondent noted that the morning celebrations "turned into worry and fear among the residents afterward." - Additional reporting by Mohammed Zaatari

Copyright (c) 2006 The Daily Star



Quote from steve46:

Today the Israeli troops continue to kick the crap out of King Nasturium and his Hezbollah lesbians.

Really it is too bad when you consider that the whole thing happened because some idiots decided to kidnap two Israeli soldiers.

Now most of Beirut is in shambles. I wonder if the average Lebanese person knows that their country was sacrificed for this purpose?
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Tribes are not civilized.

The basic ego of Israel is a tribe mentality.

Same with the Palestinians. What we are seeing is tribal warfare, and it will continue unabated until something greater than tribe is valued.
My dear fellow Z^n
What a great observation. If they all have a tribe mentality, of course, peace can only be achieved by the extinction of at least one, and possibly both tribes in conflict.
 
Quote from buzzy2:

you're right we shouldn't care about arab sentiment. I agree 100%. but we shouldn't care about jew sentiment either.
True. I don't believe Israel needs our money or our military help, it needs a free hand to deal with her enemies. Our political support in the UN and elsewhere won't hurt them either and it's the right and moral thing to do.

it's not our fight. that's my point.
And we're not involved. But a bigger point is:

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.


second, what's the point of being a millionaire if the US is financially bankrupt and ravaged by crime (due to poverty) and terrorism. living in the US would be like living in a dirty 3rd world sh*thole.
True again but even in the worst and poorest country on the planet it's better to be a millionaire...than not to be. :)
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Tribes are not civilized.

The basic ego of Israel is a tribe mentality.

Same with the Palestinians. What we are seeing is tribal warfare, and it will continue unabated until something greater than tribe is valued.
So why do you keep bitching about Israili tribe kicking the crap out of the palestinian tribe? Yet you never criticize despicable activies of the palestinian tribe.
 
Quote from CPTrader:

What do you mean by: "the palestine people (whomever they are) "?

It is this transparent disdain or hatred of a people and a denial of very their tragic situtaon that drives US foreign policy and by extension the continued chaos in the Middle East.

I did not mean any disrespect to the palestinans.

Both sides seem to be unwilling to work to a common solution. I just thought that by putting the palestinians into a permanent "home" they would all be better off.

But maybe that is not possible. My read on the gaza thing is that Israel ceded Gaza back to the palestineans. Then, instead of renaming Gaza "Palestine" and doing something positive with this development, they used Gaza as a launching pad for more rocket attacks on Israel.

I understand the problem. Think of it this way - the Shias and the Sunnis are both Muslim (are all Muslims either Shia or Sunni?). Factions of each sect are religious freaks. They are bent on destroying Israel. Period. I think the whole world thinks they are crazy.

Can you equate the difference between Shias and Sunnis to be similar to the difference between the Baptists and Lutherens? Can anyone in their right mind imagine the Baptists and Lutherns going after the jews?
 
Quote from dddooo:

True. I don't believe Israel needs our money or our military help, it needs a free hand to deal with her enemies. Our political support in the UN and elsewhere won't hurt them either and it's the right and moral thing to do.

And we're not involved. But a bigger point is:

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out (...)

True again but even in the worst and poorest country on the planet it's better to be a millionaire...than not to be. :)
Gee, like Israel doesn't have free hand already. When was the last time Israel got international sanctions for "defending itself" as you guys like to say.

Israel doesn't need our billions in foreign aid either? Good. Let's cut it already.

Poor the jews it's never their fault, it's always the arabs and the anti-semites going after them. Pity they don't look like the victims this time around.

It's always good to be a millionaire, but in western-christian culture we care for our fellow citizens. Maybe in jewish culture you guys like to be filthy rich in the middle of misery and despair?

I've got nothing against jews, but sorry, jews on this board don't sound like the kind of people I would like to support with money and political capital.
 
Quote from dddooo:

So why do you keep bitching about Israili tribe kicking the crap out of the palestinian tribe? Yet you never criticize despicable activies of the palestinian tribe.
And you never criticize the "despicable activies" of the jewish tribe.

Like I said they all deserve each other, like the drunk loser and the junkie ho fighting each other to death. We're all better off the sooner they kill themselves.
 
I condemn violence, period. I expect more from those who claim to be so "civlized."

Reverse the roles, see how it feels, imagine being victims of those who have superior military and political power....

Ever heard of the golden rule?

At least the Christians have some concept of forgiveness through the words of Jesus Christ, something that is fully lacking from the "older" primitive religions of that part of the world.

Quote from dddooo:

So why do you keep bitching about Israili tribe kicking the crap out of the palestinian tribe? Yet you never criticize despicable activies of the palestinian tribe.
 
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