ISIS and beheadings...

that was a piss poor speech overall, but I was with him until the arm rebels in syria part. Guaranteed disaster. Even if we get rid of isis, should the assad regime fall, syria will become a breeding ground for jihadis.. armed with US weaponry and training. We already armed guys there who allied themselves with al qaeda. All we're gonna do is win the war for al nusra, the islamic front and the the many other groups allied with these mujis. this is a very bad idea.

My reaction as well. It's like they learned nothing from Libya and their other efforts in Syria.

Obama's foreign policy is such a mess, he can't do anything. We should be partnering with the Russians and Iranians, if ISIS is indeed such a threat. ISIS' biggest enemy is Assad, so why would we want to topple him? We should tell the Russians to do whatever they want to prop up Assad.

BTW, who is more sickening, Obama or John McCain?
 
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Don't think I need to post anything for the rest of the week. ^ This says it all, and that's no shit!!!
 
We only have 100 U.S. senators, and one is just this dumb and dangerous

President Obama gave his big speech last night on how we’re going to, in his words, “degrade, and ultimately destroy” the Islamic State through a combination of airstrikes, partnerships with regional allies, and training of local forces. You should read Jim Newell’s explanation of all the problems with Obama’s strategy, the most significant being the fact that his ultimate goal is the destruction of ISIS. That’s a fine sound bite and it’s likely reassuring to the people who need their presidents to talk tough, but the gulf between saying you’ll destroy a terrorist insurgency and actually accomplishing that goal is yawning.

There are, however, plenty of politicians who endorse that strategy and want it to be pursued with as much vigor as possible. Sen. Marco Rubio is one of them. He talked to NPR’s Steve Inskeep this morning about the president’s speech, and while he generally approved of what Obama had to say, Rubio was dismayed that the president didn’t say “we’re going to defeat ISIL no matter what.”

Inskeep pressed Rubio on this point and asked whether this was a realistic objective, and Rubio gave a doozy of an answer:

INSKEEP: And you wish that there was a stronger goal of defeating ISIL, or ISIS, or the Islamic State, no matter what. Is that a realistic goal, senator? Because insurgent groups like this can go on for years and years and years even if they’re weakened.

RUBIO: Well, absolutely it’s a realistic goal. It’s been achieved in the past. This very same insurgency was defeated during the awakening in Iraq. This is the same group that was driven out by Sunnis, who then reconstituted itself in Syria when that became an unstable and ungoverned space. So it is possible, but it’s going to take some time.​

There you have it. According to Rubio, we can absolutely defeat a terrorist insurgency because we have already defeated the same insurgency that we now have to defeat. Again.

Inskeep observed that Rubio was making his point for him: ISIS is an offshoot of Al Qaeda in Iraq, which drove the insurgency we devoted several years and several thousand American lives to suppressing (but not eradicating) and this new effort could drag on indefinitely. Rubio’s response? Well, that’s just the way it is:

RUBIO: That’s just reality. We wish that weren’t the case, but that’s the way it is. The world is not the way we want it to be all the time, and this is, unfortunately, a reality that we face in the 21st century. We have these groups who have the intention of killing Americans and enslaving people and we have a choice to make. We either accept that, or we defeat it, and I don’t think we should accept it.
Those two statements neatly encapsulate the tension inherent in the strategy laid out by President Obama and endorsed by Rubio. In one moment they’re promising that ISIS can be completely defeated, and in the next their acknowledging the reality of a drawn-out conflict with no visible end point. But our politics demand that wars – assuming we even call them “wars” anymore – end with glorious victory, which typically comes in the form of an utterly defeated enemy. And so our leaders promise to fight until the fighting’s done, even as they recognize that that point may very well never arrive.
Simon Maloy
 
Why ISIS Keeps Running Circles Around Us, Just Like Al Qaeda Did Before 9/11

If the United States and its allies want to “degrade and destroy” the Islamic State effectively, they will have to learn to get inside the terrorists’ minds.

On Sept. 10, 2001, the United States had been preparing for years for nuclear, biological, or chemical weapon terrorism. Billions of dollars had been spent around the country to meet those challenges in one way or another. And, then, what weapons actually were used to bring down the World Trade Center and blast into the Pentagon? Box cutters.

At the time, we knew that the terrorists of al Qaeda had evil intent against the United States, and already they had done many evil things to Americans. Years before they had declared war on “crusaders and Jews.” The CIA had even sent a memo to President George W. Bush about the general threat these terrorists presented inside the United States. But as of Sept. 10, our intelligence agencies knew of no specific menace to the homeland. That didn’t mean there wasn’t one. Just that we didn’t know.

On Sept. 10, 2014, I listened to the head of Homeland Security tell his elite listeners at the Council on Foreign Relations: “At present, we have no credible information that ISIL is planning to attack the homeland of the United States.” Right. That sounded familiar.

His remarks were echoed again a few hours later by President Barack Obama: “While we have not yet detected specific plotting against our homeland, ISIL leaders have threatened America and our allies.” No kidding. And to drive that point home to all of us, they decapitated two American journalists.

Now Obama promises to “degrade and destroy” the self-declared Islamic State (or ISIL, or ISIS). But the United States has been claiming victory in its wars on terrorists for more than a dozen years now, and while old groups have been decimated, new ones have multiplied. After all the billions spent and all the blood spilled, how can that be?

The 9/11 Commission Report concluded that the attacks in 2001 “revealed four kinds of failures: in imagination, policy, capabilities, and management,” and imagination was first on the list for a reason. The Clinton and Bush administrations could not imagine that a devastating surprise attack on American soil could be carried off by an enemy that wasn’t a nation-state and killers who didn’t even carry guns.

Earlier this year, the Obama administration could not imagine that a group mostly defeated in Iraq could relocate to war-torn Syria, regroup, conquer swaths of territory there in a matter of months, then swoop back into Iraq to seize Mosul, the second-largest city in the country. With it came the big American-supplied arsenal there, abandoned when the garrison fled.

In the near-panic since then, the Obama administration, goaded by congressional hysteria, has been slipping deeper and deeper into the mire of a new Middle Eastern war.

Yet almost any expert who has studied the thinking and the operations of ISIS can tell you we continue to fail when it comes to understanding the enemy, and the failure is not only intellectual and emotional, it is systemic.

There is a tendency to think that they think like us, or, more to the point, that these organizations operate in some fashion similar to the vast bureaucracy of military and security forces we deploy against them. They do not.


To use a relatively benign example, they are to the Pentagon what Silicon Valley startups were to Eastman Kodak. While the big, rich organization thinks it can conduct business as usual, the smaller, more nimble and—yes—more imaginative ones eat it for breakfast. The Department of Homeland Security run by Secretary Jeh Johnson has 240,000 employees from what were 22 different government departments. And to make things worse, more than 100 congressional committees are peering over Johnson’s shoulder. ISIS has perhaps 5 percent as many people as that one federal bureaucracy and is accountable to no one. In geopolitical terms, terrorists are the ultimate disrupters.

“That’s why Western rational approaches to counterterrorism do not work,” says Dawn Perlmutter, an expert on symbols and their forensic significance. “The West applies reason and logic to true believers who have no fear and have an abundance of imagination.” Because primal violence is justified by religious belief, “the offenders have no remorse, no fear, and are extremely confident.”

University of Michigan anthropologist Scott Atran, who frequently briefs the Pentagon on terrorist movements, marvels at the military’s rigid approach to the problem it defines as “transnational violent extremism.” The central concepts are “strategic planning” focused on a “cost imposing” strategy, which is to say, lessening costs on the American side and making them unbearable on the enemy side.

Unfortunately, says Atran, when it came to fighting al Qaeda, the “cost imposition” approach backfired badly, and the results were the opposite of those intended. “We end up imposing unsustainable costs on ourselves,” says Atran: Trillions of dollars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere in response to an terrorist attack [9/11] that cost less than $500,000 to mount—and we are compelled to withdraw without achieving any sustainable results. On the contrary, we now have the Pakistani Taliban, who are far more dangerous that the original Afghan Taliban, and we have ISIS, which today has more funds, personnel, and broader appeal than al Qaeda.”

The group originally known as al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, which evolved into ISIS and now Islamic State or the Caliphate, has proved especially resilient. During the American-led surge in Iraq in 2006 and 2007, the organization bore huge casualties. But detailed research into documents captured from the group shows it had a well-defined structure that enable it to survive despite enormous losses. “It could not do much when it was in survival mode, but if did survive,” says Princeton Professor Jacob Shapiro. “The implication for dealing with the Islamic State is that we should not expect it to be destroyed for a long time. Even if there is a successful coordinated effort against it, the group will likely remain capable of conducting terrorist acts in Iraq and Syria for the foreseeable future.”

And so, hard as it is to imagine, another twilight war begins.

Christopher Dickey
 
Give Assad back his chems to fight ISIS for god's sake. Obama should man up and admit he was wrong on that front.

I wonder how many weapons and how much money Isis received from "us" during that little stunt..:eek::mad:
 
DB, do you post the entire Salon website here on a daily basis? I don't think there's been so much horseshit on this forum since AKFortySeven.
 
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