ISIS and beheadings...

Odumbo WANTS our southern border to be non-secure.

Odumbo WANTS illegals to pour into America to stress/collapse our social support network and to potentially collapse it.

Odumbo WANTS Hispanic criminals to filter freely across our border into America and to commit all kinds of crimes... the more the better!

Odumbo WANTS Islamic Terrorists to flood across our border to commit heinous attacks against American civilians.

That's what Odumbo wants... THAT'S HOW HE BEHAVES!!

AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE TOO PUSSIFIED TO STOP HIM!!

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This. Same with Bush Jr and Clinton.

It's premeditated. A person would have to be a fool to contend otherwise.
 
Just out of curiosity, why are conspiracy theories needed to explain what's going on? ....

While I agree that arming mugs in libya, syria, and probably even now in iraq is stupid, this is not for them to turn against us in some kind of conspiracy. It's the same old govt incompetence that gets discussed here daily.

There is footage of rebels in syria using US made weaponry including anti-tank TOW missiles.

I also agree that it is indescribably retarded that our southern border is not secure.

#1 Everything I posted is documented and reported by mainstream media. I suggest you research it, if it's new to you.

#2 No, it's not Government "incompetence". MSM reported the overwhelming contingent of Libyan and Syrian rebels were Al Queda/Al Nursa/ISIS during both revolutions. NATO was fully are of that fact, and armed, and provided material support for them anyway. Then turned a blind eye when they plundered Gaddafis military caches and FSA caches.


The fact that NATO has created, funded, equipped and hyped enemies of their own creation for the past 60 odd years is conspiracy FACT. Not theory. I suggest doing some more research into that.

I agree that ISIS is a real threat, but that threat was incubated and nurtured by the good old USA.

General Mcinenery, "We helped build ISIS"

 
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Rand Paul alleges CIA smuggled weapons through Benghazi to Syria to Arm Militants
http://rt.com/usa/rand-clinton-benghazi-paul-109/

Exclusive: Dozens of CIA operatives on the ground during Benghazi attack
http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/0...-the-ground-during-benghazi-attack/?hpt=hp_t4

State Department Hires Al Queda Linked Group to Defend Benghazi Mission
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/benghazi-consulate-protected-alqaida/2013/05/02/id/502565/



This is not 'incompetence'. This is premediated.
 
Just out of curiosity, why are conspiracy theories needed to explain what's going on? man, these kinds of rumors just degrade the actual threat 'radical' islam poses. We can blame bush, obama, or whoever.. but the root cause of all these problems lies within isLAME. I suggest you read up on the wahhabi/takfiri sects of islam. As long as these interpretations (which originate, or were revived in the GCC nations) continue to poison the minds of young muslims, we will continue to clash with them. Then there are the almost as crazy shia like the regime in iran and hezbollah.

While I agree that arming mugs in libya, syria, and probably even now in iraq is stupid, this is not for them to turn against us in some kind of conspiracy. It's the same old govt incompetence that gets discussed here daily.

There is footage of rebels in syria using US made weaponry including anti-tank TOW missiles. It is also true that a lot of those arms are now in the hands of isis because for a long time, they were not fighting the syrian regime, but taking territory from other rebel groups. And because the iraqi army fled and abandoned all kinds of equipment, including stingers, tanks, and even SCUDs. There are many groups fighting the regime in syria, and all the groups that matter are part of or allied with mujahideen organizations. If isis is destroyed, then al-nusra (AQ arm in syria) will take their place, AQ is not gone, they are just out-shined by isis at the moment. We need to snuff out all of these groups, and those who back them. That was the whole point of the invasions to begin with. If not, then we at least need to secure ourselves, tell everyone else they're on their own, and hope isis and iran end up killing each other. Of course, this approach can also have consequences such as a much higher cost of oil.. which is our whole reason for meddling in the shithole middle east to begin with.

isis is not from libya. They may have allies there as they are now the face of the jihadi movement, and there might be guys who fought in the libyan civil war, now fighting for them, but isis was al qaeda in iraq. They are responsible for many American deaths during the war. There are also many Chechen/Georgian muslims who joined their ranks when they became isis. They most likely enter syria and now iraq through Turkey, a NATO member and another untrustworthy ally of the US.

I also agree that it is indescribably retarded that our southern border is not secure.


Very well stated.
 
I really don't think that these guys doing the beheadings are extremists. They are just Muslims doing what the Koran says. I really think that all the "moderate" Muslims agree with them, that is why they don't say anything.
 
I've been following this for awhile (though I'm not claiming to be an 'expert') and haven't ever heard or read anything that states isis was in libya. They are definitely not from libya, although ansar al-sharia allegedly has an alliance with them, which would explain how they have arms from gadaffis stash (if they in fact, do). And I heard Rand Paul state that he thought the benghazi cover up was over arms shipments, although he said he had "no evidence" which means it isn't a fact. A big problem i think you're overlooking is that these groups shift their allegiance like the wind and whoever we armed initially might have switched sides since then, but i agree that it is a bad idea to arm ANY of them. that newsmax article seems interesting though.

As for the General, he is not stating that we intentionally helped create isis, he said the mission was a failure, ie incompetence. They armed rebels in libya and syria who turned out not to be our friends, and there were plenty of talking heads who said it at the time. I remember many posters on this board who were against any involvement in syria, including me.

So no, I don't buy into our government intentionally funding a threat to give us a reason to go to war. But I do believe it is traitorous act to arm any group which is in any way affiliated with our sworn enemies (like al qaeda), and I've said it on here. I think we're basically on the same page but stating the US fed govt intentionally helped isis, is not a fact, it's a theory. And if it's true then whoever voted for it/ordered it deserves execution.

I think a much more likely theory is that ISIS was being funded by residents (and possibly govts) of the gulf countries and iraqis while they were allied with al qaeda, then once they knew they were strong enough to stand on their own, isis turned on them. Which is why king abdullah has militarized his northern border and is now telling us isis will reach Europe in a month and the US in 2. Not cause he knows anything, but because he is worried and wants us to fix a problem his nation helped create. Recently the sauds have jailed several of their clergy and citizens for any perceived support of IS. I bet they are scared shitless of the momentum catching on at home and causing another uprising in the ME.

I have seen a documentary from PressTV (iran), so you have to take it with a tablespoon of salt, however there is some interesting stuff in there. I'll see if I can find it. Basically, the difference between al qaeda and isis is in their goals. AQ does not intend to govern, but IS does mean to rule. In afghanistan, al qaeda operated freely but it was the like-minded taliban who ruled. that is not the case in the new 'caliphate' and they intend to conquer the whole middle east and beyond.

Anyway, we're on the same side and while it does matter how we got here.. what we're gonna do about it matters more. have a good one.

btw I've seen that fat fuck^ before. bro, honestly, consider the source lol.
 
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here you go, there are three parts so I will just post the link (double click to get to the page). And remember, this is the work of PissTV so you gotta discount/confirm what they say about their enemies.. like us, the saudis etc.

Also, it's from earlier this year, well before the isis blitz in iraq began. It is not meant to disprove what you're saying, it's just a good look at the mess.

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