ISIL vs West

What George Orwell had so acutely observed seventy years ago, escapes this current administration and for the most part the European community. Young people want adventure and a cause. Here in the US we are complacent and we have lack of spirituality and grit. Of course you will argue with me that, "oh, but we are spiritual, we meditate, we pray", after all there are so many venues, churches, meditation groups etc to confuse the youth who has some "itch to be scratched" . So why is that we have our youth joining a death cult, based on erroneous and evil interpretation of Islam? Why the youth wants socialism in America, akin to EU style welfare state, in their acts they yearn the opposite. Basic human nature is to get involved with something bigger than ourselves, something spiritual and Historic, impacting our social and spiritual maladies as society.
The UK secret services had figured out the identity of the "Jihadi John", he is from a comfortable, middle class background (born in Kuwait, grew up in London), trained as a computer programmer. Not a struggling, confused youth as some would portray all Islamic radicalized youth.
There is no easy answer but this should be a warning to the establishment, things are brewing in the air and sooner or later change is coming! Times are no different today that they were before 1848 Imperial Europe where the French revolution triggered fear and apprehension all across the continent of Europe. Here is what Orwell wrote about Hitler;
"Hitler has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all "progressive" thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security, and avoidance of pain. In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do. Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flag and loyalty-parades…. Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a grudging way, have said to people "I offer you a good time," Hitler has said to them "I offer you struggle, danger and death," and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet.
My fear (and sadly prediction) is that ISIL came like a storm and soon it will be gone, but just as ISIL took the baton from Al Qaeda, there is something will replace ISIL as ideology. Less murderous perhaps, less dogmatic of Sharia. Our ways are of the dinosaurs, we do not have capitalism anymore nor democracy and more importantly we have no soul. The EU is just as rotten as the beltway of Washington, DC. We must change ourselves otherwise just as Rome fell, so shall we.
 
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“For years I’ve been concerned about [ISIS],” Walker said. “I want a commander-in-chief who will do anything in their power to ensure that the threat of radical Islamic terrorists do not wash up on American soil.”

Referring to the massive protests that greeted his signature 2011 law targeting public employee unions, Walker then boasted, ”If I can take on 100,000 protesters, I can do the same across the globe.”

There you have it. Strip ISIS of collective bargaining rights, and the militant group will disband. Who knew?

Luke Brinker
 
I love Orwell as a paradoxical genius. He was a socialist (in ideals) BUT he also knew human nature and history too well. He then spent all his life writing and warning about the downside of socialism.
But lets change the subject a little. Ducha is soul in Russian (I used to have a Russian girlfriend.) She always told me that she liked me as I had a soul, but many in America lack that....
We have made a promise to Russia and Ukraine and we broke our word! TWICE! We (I mean the US Gov.) We told Ukraine to remove all Nukes and we shall defend them and the Russians to allow the breakup of SU (if Nato keeps its nose out).
We broke both promises, which is the real news we should be talking about! This is why Putin is pissed....
 
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Homely, you have some great points. This policy of rubbing Rrussia's nose in the fact we won the Cold War started with Bush but Obama paradoxically has continued it.

We fomented the overthrow of the pro russian Ukraine government. Now the people who took over would like us to back them against Russia. What vital interests of the US does that involve? Are we better off having good relations with a semi-superpower, Russia, or supporting a basket case Ukraine? Are the American taxpayers aware they are being expected to pony up 15 or 20 billion dollars to support Ukraine, with its rampant corruption?
 
I think the foreign policy of the USA, is sadly run by multinational big ag business (in this case). Monsanto and whoever else wanted their paws on the bread basket of Ukraine. Today, the Chinese said bluntly that Russia has 'legit' concerns over Ukraine (security). That is smokescreen but it is all about food and especially GM crops.
Homely, you have some great points. This policy of rubbing Rrussia's nose in the fact we won the Cold War started with Bush but Obama paradoxically has continued it.

We fomented the overthrow of the pro russian Ukraine government. Now the people who took over would like us to back them against Russia. What vital interests of the US does that involve? Are we better off having good relations with a semi-superpower, Russia, or supporting a basket case Ukraine? Are the American taxpayers aware they are being expected to pony up 15 or 20 billion dollars to support Ukraine, with its rampant corruption?
 
So why is that we have our youth joining a death cult, based on erroneous and evil interpretation of Islam?
That is not correct. It is not based on an erroneous and evil interpretation of Islam. ISIS is adhering as closely as they can to the Koran and Sharia as it is written. They are joining because of the Islamic prophecies.
 
That is not correct. It is not based on an erroneous and evil interpretation of Islam. ISIS is adhering as closely as they can to the Koran and Sharia as it is written. They are joining because of the Islamic prophecies.

Well , the Koran has no mention that you rape kids etc, but, well that was practiced in the 7th century, I am afraid. If you disagree, I like a quote from the book...
ISIL knows their history, but they are modern day barbarians (basing they evil acts today as they were back in the 7th century. )
 
I love Orwell as a paradoxical genius. He was a socialist (in ideals) BUT he also knew human nature and history too well. He then spent all his life writing and warning about the downside of socialism.
But lets change the subject a little. Ducha is soul in Russian (I used to have a Russian girlfriend.) She always told me that she liked me as I had a soul, but many in America lack that....
We have made a promise to Russia and Ukraine and we broke our word! TWICE! We (I mean the US Gov.) We told Ukraine to remove all Nukes and we shall defend them and the Russians to allow the breakup of SU (if Nato keeps its nose out).
We broke both promises, which is the real news we should be talking about! This is why Putin is pissed....
the downside of socialism? It's a proven failed system. Wouldn't it be nice if it worked? Orwell devoted his life to writing about what to watch out for in a socialist system? I should devote my life to writing about why scalping for one point with a 4 point stop my be dangerous.

Capitalism is the way of the world, and it usually costs many deaths and many wars to keep it going. But after all the enemies of capitalism are killed, we revert back to it, because everybody knows that is just the natural way to do business.
 
the downside of socialism? It's a proven failed system. Wouldn't it be nice if it worked? Orwell devoted his life to writing about what to watch out for in a socialist system? I should devote my life to writing about why scalping for one point with a 4 point stop my be dangerous.

Capitalism is the way of the world, and it usually costs many deaths and many wars to keep it going. But after all the enemies of capitalism are killed, we revert back to it, because everybody knows that is just the natural way to do business.

Don't confuse communism which has been a proven failure with socialism which most the western European economies are based on. Orwell was in "Animal Farm" was warning about Soviet communism.
 
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