Is Trading Just Guessing?

Quote from ammo:

marlboro is running in the 5th race at 3/1,he's the fave on a muddy track,he has won 8 out of the last ten in same conditions,camel light is also running at 30/1,he has won 2 out of the last ten,both his wins came against marlboro on a muddy track,its your job to pick up on that,the 8 losses were on a dry track,you play the odds,if you learn enough ways to read the market ,the more info helps up to a point til you get analysis paralysis and back off,its always a gamble,you try to increase your odds and manage your losses,eventually,you are good with the info and the odds,it takes time and you dont have to trade much,when the odds are working and you are in a trade that you have waited to setup,you learn to ride it,difference between gambling and trading,in gambling a $500 bet is all or none if not parlayed,in trading,you can dump the $500 bet for a minus $10 and wait for another setup,just gambling with a cheat sheet,or an out,it's up to how you manage a trade/bet
I had 50 on camel and 100 on marlboro, who won?
 
If you have insufficient information then you won't make a profit over the long-run, unless you are very lucky. If you have sufficient information, you should make a fairly reliable long-run profit.

So, if your long-run results are unprofitable or pure luck, you were guessing. If they are reliably profitable, you weren't guessing. Helpful huh?
 
Quote from tomahawk:

Neither. They both collapsed from emphysema right before the finish line. :D
ah shit, sometimes I wonder, "Is betting just guessing?"
 
this is how i trade:


1. I objectively identify my edges.

2. I predefine the risk of every trade.

3. I completely accept the risk or I am willing to let go of the trade.

4. I act on my edges without reservation or hesitation.

5. I pay myself as the market makes money available to me.

6. I continually monitor my susceptibility for making errors.

7. I understand the absolute necessity of these principles of consistent success and, therefore, I never violate them.

Entering the position I know:


1. Anything can happen.

2. I don't need to know what is going to happen next in order to make money.

3. There is a random distribution between wins and losses for any given set of variables that define an edge.

4. An edge is nothing more than an indication of a higher probability of one thing happening over another.

5. Every moment in the market is unique.
 
Quote from macattack:

Isn’t the decision to enter a trade nothing more than a guess?

Yes. Gambling. No doubt about it. Analysts can cry and whine, but you are really just making educated GUESSes.

Call it gambling but your odds are a bit better than a casino if you know what you are doing.

That said - it is still gambling.
 
Quote from ashantt:

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Entering the position I know:


1. Anything can happen.

2. I don't need to know what is going to happen next in order to make money.

3. There is a random distribution between wins and losses for any given set of variables that define an edge.

4. An edge is nothing more than an indication of a higher probability of one thing happening over another.

5. Every moment in the market is unique.

Ah, the good old Douglas, it has been a while since I read the book.
 
It's worth remembering that operating a casino is also "gambling", but all of Las Vegas was built on a relatively tiny house edge.... And most insurance companies (pretty much analogous to delta neutral option sellers or other hedged positions) do pretty well for themselves by accepting and hedging risk. Any one trade is certainly gambling, just as is any one spin of a roulette wheel, and no casino is going to bet the house on one spin (thus table limits). As the number of spins or trades approaches infinity, the expectation is more statistically quantifiable. The probability of a profitable trade is never 100%, and it is never zero, so I suppose that is gambling, but over time, if you have a small edge, the results will become a more of a certainty. As a trader, I quantify and hedge my risks and work hard for a small edge, and it pays me a living over time.
 
Quote from RedDuke:

Ah, the good old Douglas, it has been a while since I read the book.

What??!!

ashantt plagiarized?





I bought the Douglas book in '95. Read it and then sold it b/c I had thought it was junk.

ET hypes it like it is some bible. Looked to buy the book recently.

Discovered that Douglas raised the price of his book by about 100% since '95.

WTF! His book sux. It's like a confession on why he failed at trading.

I don't need his book. Would only serve as entertainment.
 
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