Is Trading Itself a Bad Trade? I Analyzed the Industry- Prove Me Wrong

Having traded for over 40 years I have found 3 funds that make sense...Buy and hold maybe forever. S & P 500 at Vanguard, some select bio-medical funds (since the US is still a leader in finding medical cures)...Things like GGHCX or FSPHX. The last one would be RVT...They just seem to find undervalued, boring companies that can grow. Here is a chart for them. Those would be my buy and holds...sleeping well at night, especially buying in a down market. Just me...

RVT
Outperformed Russell 2000 for the Quarter, 3-Year, 10-Year, 20-Year, 30-Year and since inception (11/26/86) periods as of 12/31/18.
Quarterly as of 12/31/18
QTR5 YTD5 1YR 3YR 5YR 10YR 20YR 30YR SINCE INCEPT. DATE
RVT -25.48 -20.43 -20.43 8.64 3.19 11.68 8.33 10.12 9.16 11/26/86
XRVTX -19.45 -14.45 -14.45 9.00 3.70 12.14 8.42 10.20 9.94 11/26/86
Russell 2000 -20.20 -11.01 -11.01 7.36 4.41 11.97 7.40 9.21 8.95 N/A
Very informative,

The risk/reward on these investments looks very good indeed.

Might be an idea to post a dollar/cost averaging simulation of how much you would have to contribute each month in these investments to become a millionaire.
 
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%% NEVER met him[ES[ trading tribe]; but enjoyed his Jack Schwager top trader interview.
Really, most men are blunt+ think nothing of it unless their best female friend , or mom LOL points it out out........LOL:D:D

Perhaps create a separate thread called 'Who is Surf?'....I have no knowledge of this individual or anything relating to him.
 
Perhaps create a separate thread called 'Who is Surf?'....I have no knowledge of this individual or anything relating to him.
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That was refering to [ES] Ed Seykota; i never met him also:cool::cool:He is the one that noted there is a difference between green tree frogs + jade LOL:D:D
 
In any group of hedge fund wannabes, he's the guy in the pink shirt! :D

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Perhaps create a separate thread called 'Who is Surf?'....I have no knowledge of this individual or anything relating to him.
 
Perhaps create a separate thread called 'Who is Surf?'....I have no knowledge of this individual or anything relating to him.
If you floated around in the industry checking it out as you claim surely you would have encountered “the surf”???
 
Viewers,

I want to thank you for your recent comments, they appear to be more interesting and thought-provoking than the attacks earlier in the forum.

To contribute to this discussion. In my opinion, there is a clear difference between:

1. Having a positive passion (aka obsession or 'calling') for an endeavour - for example, a person with artistic personality characteristics would be more passionate about creative activities.
2. Having an endeavour that 'pays the bills.' In other words, society/the economy values the person enough to pay him well. Or to put it another way, you provide a service/product which 'the market' values enough to pay you well for it.
3. Ideally, somebody would pursue an endeavour that is both 1 & 2.

I think too many people on this thread have their minds confused/infected by the 'follow your passion' psychobabble out there and this has affected their decisions about their trading. I agree that a passion for something can motivate you through grinding boredom and set-backs. However, unless number 2 above takes place you are, unfortunately, misguided in the direction of your work. The ultimate goal is to make a profit or achieve quantifiable success.

Here is an example of 'passion psychobabble'. Jeff Bezos tells everyone to 'follow their passion'. However, in the next video you will see people who work for him in his fulfillment warehouses (some of whom are driven to suicide by exhaustion and the horrendous conditions).


I spoke to an English literature graduate (who told me he followed his passion when he chose his degree) who worked in such a warehouse. He had an appalling story.


Similar contrast with Steve Jobs and Chinese workers throwing themselves out of windows to commit suicide.

In other words, I would suggest combining your passion with a skill that has value to society/the economy enough that you will be ultimately paid for it. Perhaps measured by a positive risk-adjusted P&L? Of course, if you refer to the title of my thread, the evidence suggests trading itself might not be the best 'trade' for this (except for a tiny minority).

Of course, Bezos follows his passion and gets paid for it (1&2). His mistress, private jets, multiple homes, skin care program and great tan are a testament to this. The English literature graduate I met had to urinate in a bottle in one of his warehouses (1) to hit his targets and avoid getting fired.

Both followed their passions. One of them drinks expensive wine from his bottles.
Hello CityBoy and welcome back,
It appears you really have built a barrier which is preventing you from really understanding our point.
Each and every person has his own talents. Creativity is the way to explore the piece of the Universe within us. We are living in the stage of transition of our earthly society, where creativity is still being seen as detached from everyday life or a gift for a few, like in your point two. But it is changing and trading is one of, if not the only one, human activity which is opening doors to explore your creativity while enjoying unlimited financial freedom.
The English literature graduate with whom you spoke has not followed his passion - he is a victim of bad flow of the finance in our society. And we, traders, are changing that. Not only are we helping to discover fair market price of the securities we are trading with, but literally by taking money out of the market we are redirecting it to real, different causes which we believe to be noble, whilst expanding our own creativity. What else can be more useful and beautiful?
 
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