Is this trading strategy illegal or against some brokers policy?

I'll point up the main issues for you:
-counterparty risk (if they don't pay or can't pay you're pretty much screwed)
-lack of certainty in the negative balance protection - specifically you're vulnerable to claims of "set off" if you are discovered to be the beneficial owner of all the accounts
-you're likely on the wrong side of AML regulations operating multiple accounts in this way
-spread/transaction costs eating into your likely returns

I've been privy to something similar though - there was (is?) a way to do something similar in the UK with negligible credit/counterparty risk and support from the regulatory regime.

In the UK, we have a FTT on listed stock purchases. Bona fide market markers are exempt - it is only the general public, pension funds, etc who pay the 0.5% of the notional value of the stock. Some clever city boys found a way around this, whereby a market maker / dealer who was exempt from the tax would write an OTC contract with a customer for the difference in value between notional purchases and sales of the stock. The customer, who would have been liable to 0.5% of the sale proceeds in stamp tax paid nothing as the contract with the dealer didn't involve ownership interests (or voting rights) in the underlying security. This arrangement came to be known as "contracts for difference".

It has been used for various interesting schemes - including taking the floating supply of a stock off the market by proxy, avoiding reporting requirements for owning x% of the issue, and insider trading both before and after legislation was updated to allow prosecutions where the person transacting in CFDs knew, ought to have known, or was reckless to the likelihood that their counterparty would open a corresponding position in the underlying market. Some Europeans involved with the recently publicised insider trading scheme used these products.

A feature of CFDs is that only a percentage of the contract value is required by the dealer as security for the contract, similar to margins on futures. This requires, when dealing with retail customers, a risk disclosure that losses may exceed deposits. In order to attract more business from the general public, one of the largest firms offering CFDs to retail approached the regulator for consent to offer "guaranteed stop losses" where the firm would bear any slippage risk if the customer stop loss order was triggered. Effectively negative balance protection by another name. The regulator allowed this as a specific and regulated contract of insurance and imposed ring fencing and reporting requirements on firms offering this type of product.

This insurance is expensive, often costing 10-15x the DV01. However, when there is event risk such as in FX over weekends, or more relevantly company earnings reports, constructing a virtual flat position by taking opposite positions with two dealers and two sets of "guaranteed stops" could be profitable. You've essentially paid to own a call and a put and should value the transaction accordingly. Sometimes this synthetic option position is cheaper than it should be.

Key elements:
- legality - you are dealing in regulated products- both the CFD and insurance portions - so there is certainty of result legally speaking and no "grey area" about exploitation
-you have accounts in your own name with 2 or more of the largest/creditworthy dealers
- creditworthiness - you're dealing with e.g. IG Markets and CMC markets who are listed blue chip firms
- insurance - your deposits are government guaranteed up to £85,000 per account holder in the same way as bank accounts
-you are paying 2 lots of spread, plus two premiums for the insurance - the expected move in the underlying needs to be enough to cover this
-you are exposed to some market risk legging into the positions and it is possible that one side may be triggered before the market close
-you are at the mercy of the dealer to accept your request to transact both to initiate and liquidate, and they'll back off their quotes if you are doing any size, in fast markets, of if they notice a pattern that you seem to be exploiting them - but in the main they are happy to quote smaller size and are protected by the aggregate premiums they receive and the spread

This used to be a worthwhile strategy, but many firms won't offer this insurance on individual equities any more, and on futures/FX they've defensively priced it. There are still occasional opportunities (e.g. the CHF this year) but it isn't something I pay attention to. Since about the beginning of the decade these firms have insisted that you eat the first part of the risk yourself (e.g. at least 1 big figure on FX) so it is less useful than it used to be.

The exception would be a smaller firm offering better deals* in the hope of attracting clients - this would be a shoddy offer due credit risk if the state didn't guarantee deposits up to £85k to any firm with a financial services licence whether they're undercaptialised for their risks or not. So there might be opportunity in the future. But no good for more than £50k or so.

* - the cost of acquiring virtual calls/puts is far cheaper than it should be, or can be arbitraged against another dealer
 
good luck. There are way better and easier ways to become a millionaire if you have no scruples and have no issues to engage in shady or outright illegal business practices. There is a huge demand in Mexico and elsewhere to join the drug trade on the business or trafficking side. Why stopping short with bucketshop brokers if you can go all in?

i was hoping to become a millionaire lol
 
good luck. There are way better and easier ways to become a millionaire if you have no scruples and have no issues to engage in shady or outright illegal business practices. There is a huge demand in Mexico and elsewhere to join the drug trade on the business or trafficking side. Why stopping short with bucketshop brokers if you can go all in?

Mug, I've forgotten more about trading than you know
 
You don't get it as well. Goodness. OP is trying to game the broker on their client pledge to not hold their clients up for negative account balances. Is it really that hard to understand? It's not a straddle and OP most likely will have a hard time to withdraw his funding later on.
oh, ok, I got it now
 
I'll point up the main issues for you:
-counterparty risk (if they don't pay or can't pay you're pretty much screwed)
-lack of certainty in the negative balance protection - specifically you're vulnerable to claims of "set off" if you are discovered to be the beneficial owner of all the accounts
-you're likely on the wrong side of AML regulations operating multiple accounts in this way
-spread/transaction costs eating into your likely returns

I've been privy to something similar though - there was (is?) a way to do something similar in the UK with negligible credit/counterparty risk and support from the regulatory regime.

In the UK, we have a FTT on listed stock purchases. Bona fide market markers are exempt - it is only the general public, pension funds, etc who pay the 0.5% of the notional value of the stock. Some clever city boys found a way around this, whereby a market maker / dealer who was exempt from the tax would write an OTC contract with a customer for the difference in value between notional purchases and sales of the stock. The customer, who would have been liable to 0.5% of the sale proceeds in stamp tax paid nothing as the contract with the dealer didn't involve ownership interests (or voting rights) in the underlying security. This arrangement came to be known as "contracts for difference".

It has been used for various interesting schemes - including taking the floating supply of a stock off the market by proxy, avoiding reporting requirements for owning x% of the issue, and insider trading both before and after legislation was updated to allow prosecutions where the person transacting in CFDs knew, ought to have known, or was reckless to the likelihood that their counterparty would open a corresponding position in the underlying market. Some Europeans involved with the recently publicised insider trading scheme used these products.

A feature of CFDs is that only a percentage of the contract value is required by the dealer as security for the contract, similar to margins on futures. This requires, when dealing with retail customers, a risk disclosure that losses may exceed deposits. In order to attract more business from the general public, one of the largest firms offering CFDs to retail approached the regulator for consent to offer "guaranteed stop losses" where the firm would bear any slippage risk if the customer stop loss order was triggered. Effectively negative balance protection by another name. The regulator allowed this as a specific and regulated contract of insurance and imposed ring fencing and reporting requirements on firms offering this type of product.

This insurance is expensive, often costing 10-15x the DV01. However, when there is event risk such as in FX over weekends, or more relevantly company earnings reports, constructing a virtual flat position by taking opposite positions with two dealers and two sets of "guaranteed stops" could be profitable. You've essentially paid to own a call and a put and should value the transaction accordingly. Sometimes this synthetic option position is cheaper than it should be.

Key elements:
- legality - you are dealing in regulated products- both the CFD and insurance portions - so there is certainty of result legally speaking and no "grey area" about exploitation
-you have accounts in your own name with 2 or more of the largest/creditworthy dealers
- creditworthiness - you're dealing with e.g. IG Markets and CMC markets who are listed blue chip firms
- insurance - your deposits are government guaranteed up to £85,000 per account holder in the same way as bank accounts
-you are paying 2 lots of spread, plus two premiums for the insurance - the expected move in the underlying needs to be enough to cover this
-you are exposed to some market risk legging into the positions and it is possible that one side may be triggered before the market close
-you are at the mercy of the dealer to accept your request to transact both to initiate and liquidate, and they'll back off their quotes if you are doing any size, in fast markets, of if they notice a pattern that you seem to be exploiting them - but in the main they are happy to quote smaller size and are protected by the aggregate premiums they receive and the spread

This used to be a worthwhile strategy, but many firms won't offer this insurance on individual equities any more, and on futures/FX they've defensively priced it. There are still occasional opportunities (e.g. the CHF this year) but it isn't something I pay attention to. Since about the beginning of the decade these firms have insisted that you eat the first part of the risk yourself (e.g. at least 1 big figure on FX) so it is less useful than it used to be.

The exception would be a smaller firm offering better deals* in the hope of attracting clients - this would be a shoddy offer due credit risk if the state didn't guarantee deposits up to £85k to any firm with a financial services licence whether they're undercaptialised for their risks or not. So there might be opportunity in the future. But no good for more than £50k or so.

* - the cost of acquiring virtual calls/puts is far cheaper than it should be, or can be arbitraged against another dealer
Thank you so much for your detailed but on point explanatio, thr broker i am dealing with offer GSL as well as no negative balance, their policy states that i can only lose what is on my account at the time of loss so my account does not go in minus, the other accounts are not under my name and the peoples names that it is under is aware of everything and have placed most of the trades (same time as me). I do agree and i have lost money on most days on Roll over fees as well as spreads, besically if the market opens less then 0.25 up or down i have lost half of my deposit on both accounts. i just thought this would be legit since i still have a chance of losing
 
good luck. There are way better and easier ways to become a millionaire if you have no scruples and have no issues to engage in shady or outright illegal business practices. There is a huge demand in Mexico and elsewhere to join the drug trade on the business or trafficking side. Why stopping short with bucketshop brokers if you can go all in?
sounds like you have all the information you need to become a millionaire if you arent one already.
 
If you were to do this in the U.S. And were found out you'd be hit with money laundering, wire fraud and about 4 more regulatory violations that carry a 300k fine each.

Sure, maybe they wouldn't catch a one-off $1,000 gain. But they'd certainly catch something big or repeat behavior. They get a nice juicy story 'trader goes to prison for market manipulation' and everybody (except you) is happy.

Do you really want to be cannon fodder for the government to make an example of? Do you think you'd have a prayer of mounting a defense after they preemptively sieze all your assets?

I don't understand why this is even a question. You ask if making money by defrauding your broker is a good idea. It's a really really bad idea. I've seen a CFTC prosecution here in the U.S. Those guys are smart and have access to way more information then you'd expect and they can uncover really sophisticated fraud. Just consider how amazing are the algos that detect credit card fraud nowadays. What you are doing could be discovered by a feeble minded intern on his first day using one finger.

I really doubt that Europe would be so different.
 
I do not show off about my accumulated wealth but one thing I am proud of is that I earned every last penny in 100% legit and ethical ways. Whatever corporate you work(ed) in you will realize after 5 minutes that being 100% ethical in today's times is no easy feast. I have not even denied my boss on the phone a single time when clients demanded to speak to him and we has been sitting next to me and did not want to talk to them. I have always made it clear from the beginning that being unethical, no matter to what degree, is not an option for me. It served me very well throughout my 12 years on wall street and especially well since the time I have taken over the fiduciary duty to manage client funding. I would never change a thing if I could go back. Some find that taking shortcuts in life serves them well but I have experienced the opposite. Life is not a sprint, it is a marathon. Same with the accumulation of wealth.

sounds like you have all the information you need to become a millionaire if you arent one already.
 
that is actually not accurate. OP has not engaged in an outright illegal act. Unethical yes, but certainly not illegal. To be accused of money laundering or wire fraud one has to violate statutes and/or laws, which is not the case here. I assume you are trying to be ironic...



If you were to do this in the U.S. And were found out you'd be hit with money laundering, wire fraud and about 4 more regulatory violations that carry a 300k fine each.

Sure, maybe they wouldn't catch a one-off $1,000 gain. But they'd certainly catch something big or repeat behavior. They get a nice juicy story 'trader goes to prison for market manipulation' and everybody (except you) is happy.

Do you really want to be cannon fodder for the government to make an example of? Do you think you'd have a prayer of mounting a defense after they preemptively sieze all your assets?

I don't understand why this is even a question. You ask if making money by defrauding your broker is a good idea. It's a really really bad idea. I've seen a CFTC prosecution here in the U.S. Those guys are smart and have access to way more information then you'd expect and they can uncover really sophisticated fraud. Just consider how amazing are the algos that detect credit card fraud nowadays. What you are doing could be discovered by a feeble minded intern on his first day using one finger.

I really doubt that Europe would be so different.
 
this is getting abit over the top, all i wanted to know was is what i am doing illegal? if so how? the broker has a no negative account policy and the other accounts are traded under dofferent names ex Me and john are friends i tell john "hey john i think the eu/us is gonna go down and john says no its gonna go up so i place my bet to go up and he places it to go down one of us is a winner, how would this be illegal or fraud?
 
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