Is This The End Of Tesla ?

[Seaweed]

The 787s were grounded for the battery issue. It just sux that all the Li-Ion and Li-Hydride batteries keep catching fire and explode.

Doesn't happen as often with petrol.

Guys, electricity is just not there yet.

Honestly, many of the cases I've read of a fire have actually started with the car telling you via the display to leave before the batteries caught on fire. If the fire is instant after the crash, the crash may very well have been so severe that you would not have survived anyway. Because these cars have no engine in the front, there is more room for a crumple zone and you also don't have that huge engine to pin you in.

Overall, from what I've read, you are much safer in an electric car than a gasoline one.

 

[nooby_mcnoob]

This is honestly one of the best threads I've read on this site. Good work everyone.

 

[sellindexvol66]

Honestly, many of the cases I've read of a fire have actually started with the car telling you via the display to leave before the batteries caught on fire. If the fire is instant after the crash, the crash may very well have been so severe that you would not have survived anyway. Because these cars have no engine in the front, there is more room for a crumple zone and you also don't have that huge engine to pin you in.

Overall, from what I've read, you are much safer in an electric car than a gasoline one.

also keep in mind this is just the beginning for EV...

the charging speed is increasing, battery longevity increasing, etc etc...the established players are still not even out with their EV cars (ie: VW, F)

the advantages of EV will continue to surface even with the relentless fake news from those segments of society who will have to retrain or die.

 

[sle]

We already ran out of oil once. Whale oil. First of all drilling technology is ever evolving. By the time we run out of oil there will be something else available.

All this renewable bs is just federal dollar grab. I am all for alternative energy. But let the free market do its work. If wind solar whatever can compete without gov hand outs then all the better.

Sure. But then also make sure we don't subsidize the oil industry directly or indirectly. I am all for fossil fuels, but let the free market do it's work. In fact, let them also pay for the cost to the society (i.e. air pollution, oil spills and global warming) and then we are all set.

Obviously, instead of renewables we should be pushing to 3-rd generation nuclear or something along these lines. Unfortunately, there is opposition to that from both the conservative side (cause they are busy sucking big oils dicks) and the progressive side (cause they still stuck on the few accidents we've had and can't understand that technology can be made safer if you invest in it).

 

[sle]

also keep in mind this is just the beginning for EV...

For sure. EVs are still a novelty, very much like the ICE cars in the early stages of adoption. You can literally imagine people saying "yeah, that's nice but it's much easier to give hay to my horse than to get gasoline for this thing".

PS. We are getting there. For example, both car and bike records for Pikes Peak now belong to electric vehicles - that type of stuff drives adoption.

 

[Overnight]

...If wind solar whatever can compete without gov hand outs then all the better.

It cannot.

And we've had the disasters with each fuel source already...

Oil...Well, we've had enough of that...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill

And we've had enough of the nuclear, too...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster

And we also got the natural gas problem...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrimack_Valley_gas_explosions

It will never end, because we as a people are too reliant on the bang-for-the-buck energies. Wind/solar will never ever replace these sources, as long as we continue to consume mass quantities.

 

[Stockolio]

also keep in mind this is just the beginning for EV...

the charging speed is increasing, battery longevity increasing, etc etc...the established players are still not even out with their EV cars (ie: VW, F)

the advantages of EV will continue to surface even with the relentless fake news from those segments of society who will have to retrain or die.

Solid State are only few years away from being commercial... Once they are ready, it's a wrap. They already exist but not cost effective yet for commercial

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...ectric-car-batteries-explore-solid-state-tech

 

[schweiz]

New competitor for Tesla: https://products.rivian.com/

Ford invested this year 500 million and Amazon 700 million in this company.

 

[Turveyd]

We already ran out of oil once. Whale oil. First of all drilling technology is ever evolving. By the time we run out of oil there will be something else available.

All this renewable bs is just federal dollar grab. I am all for alternative energy. But let the free market do its work. If wind solar whatever can compete without gov hand outs then all the better.

Its going to get to a price point where its cheaper to just grow your oil, the costs are ever increasing, Fraking to get that next 10% out of the ground, isnt cheap or good

 

[Specterx]

also keep in mind this is just the beginning for EV...

the charging speed is increasing, battery longevity increasing, etc etc...the established players are still not even out with their EV cars (ie: VW, F)

the advantages of EV will continue to surface even with the relentless fake news from those segments of society who will have to retrain or die.

Is anyone seriously questioning EVs per se? The industry consensus seems to be that ICE sales will increase from (still) almost nothing now to market dominance by the 2040s, and ICE cars will start falling under national sales bans before then - hence the explosion of new EV models. That doesn't have much to do with the long or short case for TSLA now, either way.

The thing I personally object to is the notion that driving a large luxury EV like the Model S / X is an environmentally-conscious decision, or is somehow saving the earth, which would be fairly ludicrous even if grid generation wasn't >80% fossil fuels. If folks really want to save the earth, then ride an ebike or take public transport.