Is This The End Of Tesla ?

[schweiz]

All European vehicles are crap, including Mercedes and BMW, from a reliability, ease to repair, and cost to repair standpoint, just like US cars except cost of repair. American’s tend to buy US cars out of patriotism and European cars because of sophisticated marketing. China’s cars are likely to have serious quality problems, given their history. Thank God for the Japanesse auto manufacturers. No, I am not Japanesse.

Here’s how the major car brands stack up in terms of reliability, according to Consumer Reports:

1. Lexus
2. Toyota
3. Mazda
4. Subaru
5. Kia
6. Infiniti
7. Audi
8. BMW
9. Mini
10. Hyundai
11. Porsche
12. Genesis
13. Acura
14. Nissan
15. Honda
16. Volkswagen
17. Mercedes-Benz
18. Ford
19. Buick
20. Lincoln

Audi, BMW, Mini, Porsche, Volkswagen and Mercedes all have better reliability than any US cars. So if EU cars are crap, what are US cars then?

https://forbes.com/sites/jimgorzela...east-reliable-rides-on-the-road/#2c4d8ce25525

 

[nooby_mcnoob]

if the difference between top and bottom on that list is a single 0.00000000000000001 in reliability does it really matter?

 

[Specterx]

Here’s how the major car brands stack up in terms of reliability, according to Consumer Reports:

Another way to look at it is here: https://www.consumerreports.org/car-maintenance/the-cost-of-car-ownership/

Own a German car and you'll be shelling out for repairs.

 

[maximumpossiblesuffering]

Here’s how the major car brands stack up in terms of reliability, according to Consumer Reports:

1. Lexus
2. Toyota
3. Mazda
4. Subaru
5. Kia
6. Infiniti
7. Audi
8. BMW
9. Mini
10. Hyundai
11. Porsche
12. Genesis
13. Acura
14. Nissan
15. Honda
16. Volkswagen
17. Mercedes-Benz
18. Ford
19. Buick
20. Lincoln

Audi, BMW, Mini, Porsche, Volkswagen and Mercedes all have better reliability than any US cars. So if EU cars are crap, what are US cars then?

https://forbes.com/sites/jimgorzela...east-reliable-rides-on-the-road/#2c4d8ce25525

Crappier.

I suprised to see toyota have a higher ranking than Honda based on personal experience and toyota’s high profile automotive issues in the news.

It looks like American automotive brands have declined in relative ranking to the European brands over the years. Planned obsolescence is apparently the reason for these low scores. Stupid stuff like 40 years of prematurely failing transmissions, head gaskets failing at 150,000 miles or even less, and hard to diagnose electrical problems. However, even with these, the average age of vehicles in the US has been on the rise for a decade or so:

https://www.businessinsider.com/americas-cars-and-trucks-are-getting-older-2018-8

Something about the American automobile business model is not working. I wonder what (MPS rolls eyes) the issues could be? Granted, part of the issue is Demographics, but most is the weak value proposition of American made vehicles.

Maybe there are opportunities in bailing wire and duct tape stocks. Certaintly in retail auto parts stores, anyway.

 

[schweiz]

Another way to look at it is here: https://www.consumerreports.org/car-maintenance/the-cost-of-car-ownership/

Own a German car and you'll be shelling out for repairs.

I drive/drove German cars for over 2 million kilometers. 1x Audi, 2x BMW and 3x Mercedes.
And for my wife 3x Volkswagen Golf and 1 x Mini Cooper.
I know people who spent more money on smoking or drugs then my yearly maintenance for a Mercedes.

That report is pure nonsense.
Watch this report and compare it with yours. Results are completelly different.

https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/the-most-and-least-expensive-cars-to-maintain-by-maddy-martin

In this report 8 out of 20 cars are US cars as most expensive:
https://www.gobankingrates.com/saving-money/car/most-expensive-cars-to-maintain/#0

A huge factor is resale value after X years. That value can compensate for the entire maintenance cost of the car.

 

[destriero]

Worst depreciating cars (3Y term). Worst residual value (leases):

1. BMW 5 Series - 52.6 percent
2. Volkswagen Passat - 50.7 percent
3. Mercedes-Benz E-Class - 49.9 percent
4. BMW 3 Series - 49.8 percent
5. Ford Taurus - 49.7 percent
6. Chrysler 200 - 48.4 percent
7. Volkswagen Jetta - 48.1 percent
8. Audi A3 - 47.9 percent
9. Cadillac SRX - 47.2 percent
10. Buick Enclave - 46.8 percent

https://www.autotrader.com/car-info/these-are-fastest-depreciating-cars-2018-281474979862017

 

[Handle123]

guy is a scam artist... with a pipe dream... literally.

basically an automobile version of bitcoin.

introduce a feel-good concept, brain wash the kids, make a bunch of money, then go bust.

He any relationship to ex CEO of Sears Holding?

 

[Nobert]

Can someone make the case for why it is screwed so bad that it would be screwed out of existence? Expensive cars? My middle class friends are buying them. My elite friends already had them. I only see more Teslas around.

Two vids, with few good points,

tho they haven't mentioned, that TSLA has by far, the largest ammount of data, on autonomous vehichles ( how valuable is that, if it is at all ? ),

their entry into insurance business

& tesla autonomous taxi ( no steering wheel, no pwdlas etc, less cost per vehicle )

Real Vision channel, imo, is pushing hard on gold recently, some ,, reviews / interviews " looks like 10 mins long, pre-payid adds, which makes it less credible and trustworthy, for me.

 

[Pekelo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1121836179312324608

 

[Turveyd]

Crappier.

I suprised to see toyota have a higher ranking than Honda based on personal experience and toyota’s high profile automotive issues in the news.

It looks like American automotive brands have declined in relative ranking to the European brands over the years. Planned obsolescence is apparently the reason for these low scores. Stupid stuff like 40 years of prematurely failing transmissions, head gaskets failing at 150,000 miles or even less, and hard to diagnose electrical problems. However, even with these, the average age of vehicles in the US has been on the rise for a decade or so:

https://www.businessinsider.com/americas-cars-and-trucks-are-getting-older-2018-8

Something about the American automobile business model is not working. I wonder what (MPS rolls eyes) the issues could be? Granted, part of the issue is Demographics, but most is the weak value proposition of American made vehicles.

Maybe there are opportunities in bailing wire and duct tape stocks. Certaintly in retail auto parts stores, anyway.

Honda got over complicated loads of issues on the 2007 Civics the fancy space ship looking 1's and Jazz's don't hold out much better, before that Toyota and Honda very similar.

18year old Toyota Celica currently, happy with both reports.

Tesla won't fail, it'll just remain an expensive luxury car, like Apple phones.

It's not like he can't sink a few Bil into it and bail it out not like he's going to miss it.