Is Roger Clemens lying his ass off?

[Thunderdog]

Quote from bigarrow:

LOL heck no, and the traps aren't good now but when I work out the traps muscle up easy and fast for me. During most of my workout years I didn't know anything about steroids, can't do what you don't know about.

As I wrote earlier, compare your traps development when it was at its peak to that of someone on steroids. Night and day.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from Dr. Zhivodka:

Sorry wrong answer.

Every kid who shows velocity promise should have his right arm tied behind his back to develop him into a left-handed starter. Then he should get HGH and a Testosterone and Winstrol stack every six month until he's 19.

He'll thank you later after the $120 million 6 year deal.

Sorry, but that is beyond stupid. If all athletes start using steroids legally, openly and in quantity, then guys like you will become desensitized to their performance because they will all be that much more similar. It's all relative. On the other hand, if no one was allowed to take such drugs and they were properly and constantly tested for it, then the really gifted athlete would still get the best contracts.

I think that comments like yours are outrageous and may well mark the beginning of the end of true sportsmanship. Steroids and the like are cancers that, if left unabated, may eventually destroy the beauty of sports.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from William Rennick:

Bout time you said something that makes sense, living proof that even a blind squirel finds the occasional acorn. I agree with Dr.Skidmarksvodka, let athletes do as they please, this would be very entertaining. 150 mph fast balls, 100 yard field goals, slam dunks from half court, 500 yard drives, etc. I've recently started taking the juice, improved my trading by 200%.

Rennick out

Yes, it's all about your entertainment, however warped your entertainment requirements may become. (Remember Rollerball?)

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from traderNik:

Wrong answer although there's not much that's going to be done about it. The issue with steroids isn't that it's 'cheating'. That characterization has always puzzled me.

The issue is that using steroids in the way that bodybuilders and high performance athletes do is bad for your health, and the message that gets sent to kids in high school (or probably junior high these days - surely the major sports leagues are scouting Grade 9 kids) is that you need to do steroids in order to compete. That's the problem.

It IS cheating because it is not allowed. It is not allowed because it gives the stupid money-grubbing, health-be-damned risk taker a short-cut advantage. The short-cut advantage has nothing to do with discipline or training that is SUPPOSED to be synonymous with sports and sportsmanship. It has everything to do with greed and a disregard for one's health. And that leads to the rest of your post with which I agree entirely.

Steroid use in sports is the moral and legal equivalent of insider trading in the financial markets.

 

[annaland]

Quote from Thunderdog:

There is what I believe to be a fairly simple test to determine the likelihood that someone took serious performance enhancing drugs such as anabolic steroids, either very recently, or in the more distant past. If the subject has somewhat enlarged and very well defined trapezius muscles, then I would conclude that he or she probably took the juice at one time or another.

For years I worked out at a gym that had its share of seriously muscled people, both men and women. (I left a while back because they began playing primarily rap music in earnest, which I do not tolerate very well.) ALL of the seriously muscled people had accentuated traps, including the ones who were either scrawny or overweight only a few months earlier and began to develop remarkably quickly in a very short period of time. On the other hand, there were those who worked out hard, who were in very good shape and had never developed the trapezius tell. I suppose someone can claim genetics, but I beg to differ. Anyone who suddenly started getting seriously big almost out of nowhere, women included, got the traps as well. Not one of the heavily muscled people was without them, irrespective of their body type, be it ectomorph, mesomorph or endomorph. The traps were a constant among the heavily muscled and those who suddenly gained some muscle really fast following a longer period of unremarkable growth. Draw your own conclusions.

One interesting example is someone who trained there who told me that he had been a competitive weightlifter (not bodybuilder) in his youth in the Czech Republic. He's about my age presently, approaching 50. He's not nearly as fit now, and you couldn't readily tell that he ever took steroids with the loose clothing that he wears at the gym. But one day in the locker room, when he took his shirt off, despite the fact that the rest of his physique was no longer that of a weightlifter, I noted that he still had the traps.

I could be wrong. Don't take my word for it. Just look at every single sports athlete who has been charged with steroid use and judge for yourself. Remember Ben Johnson, the Canadian sprinter in the 1988 Olympics who broke a world record but was then stripped of his medal because it was discovered he took steroids? Have you seen his traps?

The "trap test" may not be as definitive as a medical test, but it is highly suggestive and may point to at least the distinct possibility of past usage.

That’s a very interesting observation. I too have noticed the “trap”. Also, the angular jaws/chins and facial structures in general, on a neck with the same girth as their head is a dead giveaway.

 

[ratboy88]

all hell is breaking loose with our economy and these idiots want to blather on about roger clemens? give me a break... they should be grilling goldman sachs and illegal naked shorters and media complicity. mortgage fraud and the federal reserve's crimes should dominate their focus. but we get roger clemens and britney spears' meltdown.

you people deserve the hell that is coming.


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[Thunderdog]

Quote from smilingsynic:

I have trained for over twenty years (100% natural), and, yes, I noticed the same. I would say not just traps, but all of the upper back, esp between the shoulder blades. I would add blocky waist (firm, but bloated) is another sign.

In terms of physique I have always had broad shoulders, chest, and a great upper body, except for upper back. Never able to develop traps, even with 300 lb shoulder shrugs.

Quote from annaland:

That’s a very interesting observation. I too have noticed the “trap”. Also, the angular jaws/chins and facial structures in general, on a neck with the same girth as their head is a dead giveaway.

I understand what you two are saying, but I still go to the traps to draw my conclusions. We can all spot the obvious user since we need not bother with the individual trees because the forest speaks for itself. However, for all muscle groups aside from the traps, the challenge is in determing the point of demarcation. How do you decide borderline cases? With traps, there is almost no judgment call required. Anyone with even remotely puffed up and well-defined traps is likely a user. Period. Even the guy who just started using anabolic steroids and has not yet had a consequential increase to his musculature almost invariably already has puffed up and well-defined traps.

 

[ElCubano]

Quote from Thunderdog:


The "trap test" may not be as definitive as a medical test, but it is highly suggestive and may point to at least the distinct possibility of past usage.

4-sho.... i concur

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from ratboy88:

...you people deserve the hell that is coming.

And what makes you think it's not already here?

 

[The Kin2]

Man on Steroids

Clemens

Why do people say he's on steroids. What traps?