Is putting dirt on one candidate makes another one better?

Son of a Gann · Sep 10, 2008

Instead of pouring dirt on each of the candidate (there is equally enough for both parties) why not just say what is important to you.

I'll vote for Democrats ( just happens to be Obama but I could careless) because:

Democrats have nothing to gain from military actions or wars so more likely to stop military spending, killing people and own kids, and more likely to heal relationships with other countries.

In 4 years economy will be better than it is today regardless of candidate.

Palin is a beautiful lady who doesn't believe in abortion so what? Should Republicans ban abortions (which I do not see happening) some doctors will move to Canada and Mexico, use of contraceptives will go up.

Are there any good reasons to vote for Republicans? If you have good reasons I will vote for Republicans.

Saying that Obama is black with unusual name not a good reason for me.

Is putting dirt on one candidate makes another one better?

ZZZzzzzzzz · Sep 10, 2008

bigdavediode · Sep 10, 2008

Quote from Son of a Gann:

Instead of pouring dirt on each of the candidate (there is equally enough for both parties) why not just say what is important to you.

I'll vote for Democrats ( just happens to be Obama but I could careless) because:

Democrats have nothing to gain from military actions or wars so more likely to stop military spending, killing people and own kids, and more likely to heal relationships with other countries.

I agree with that. Republicans do not have a good reputation internationally. Tom Davis (R) said it best "the Republican brand is in the trash can...if we were dog food, they would take us off the shelf."

In 4 years economy will be better than it is today regardless of candidate.

Not if the debt was doubled again under the next Republican. Further dollar devaluation would probably occur.

Palin is a beautiful lady who doesn't believe in abortion so what? Should Republicans ban abortions (which I do not see happening) some doctors will move to Canada and Mexico, use of contraceptives will go up.

Well she's entitled to her beliefs about abortion. People should be aware that she not only opposes abortion, though, but that she also opposes it even if a woman is raped thereby forcing the victim to carry the rapists baby to term.

Are there any good reasons to vote for Republicans? If you have good reasons I will vote for Republicans.

Seriously, I can't come up with one. You've got one candidate who can't use the Internet (his words), who doesn't know about economics (his words) and who graduated at the bottom of his class.

The other candidate is an ivory tower intellectual who graduated at the top of his class, has both public and private experience and is not over the retirement age. I think both are decent people, though. One is just clearly better and more competent.

Pa(b)st Prime · Sep 10, 2008

Quote from Son of a Gann:

Instead of pouring dirt on each of the candidate (there is equally enough for both parties) why not just say what is important to you.

I'll vote for Democrats ( just happens to be Obama but I could careless) because:

Democrats have nothing to gain from military actions or wars so more likely to stop military spending, killing people and own kids, and more likely to heal relationships with other countries.

Obama has never even SUGGESTED any cut to the military and STRONGLY advocates increasing our troop presence in Afghanistan. Further, other than the Bush's the last Republican to place American troops in war was LINCOLN. Democrat's Wilson, FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ killed almost ONE MILLION American's in wars.

In 4 years economy will be better than it is today regardless of candidate.

I think the opposite. No matter who wins the American economy will be worse. We consume too much and the notion that a unit of American labor is worth more than a unit of Chinese labor will be tested until we reach parity. In other words the days of a Mexican-American gardner making enough to buy a car while a Chinese or Indian factory worker can only buy a bowl of rice will end. The American Left revolts at the thought but global social justice demands some semblance of equal purchasing power.

Palin is a beautiful lady who doesn't believe in abortion so what? Should Republicans ban abortions (which I do not see happening) some doctors will move to Canada and Mexico, use of contraceptives will go up.

I agree. I'm a social conservative but end of day it matters little although I'll argue that the upheaval inherent in coming economic changes will test us morally and we need to increase our collective moral base.

Are there any good reasons to vote for Republicans? If you have good reasons I will vote for Republicans.

To me as a trader and lover of economics and markets it's about facilitating trade. The exchange of goods, ideas and technologies. those who blame trade agreements, "big business" ect. are living in yesterdays world. The dems are dinosaurs.

Saying that Obama is black with unusual name not a good reason for me.

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bigdavediode · Sep 10, 2008

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I agree. I'm a social conservative but end of day it matters little although I'll argue that the upheaval inherent in coming economic changes will test us morally and we need to increase our collective moral base.

What does this mean? That because Republicans have trademarked the term "morality" that we should ignore their candidate's divorce, marriage to a model who became a drug addict, and left children behind?

In my opinion, all the Republicans have left is words.

Pa(b)st Prime · Sep 10, 2008

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What does this mean? That because Republicans have trademarked the term "morality" that we should ignore their candidate's divorce, marriage to a model who became a drug addict, and left children behind?

In my opinion, all the Republicans have left is words.

What I mean is that between Memorial Day and Labor Day there were twice as many murders on Chicago's South and West sides as American combat deaths in Iraq. Glad to see Chicago minorities are so stoked at the prospect of a Chicago black running for Presifdent.

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810166.html

bigdavediode · Sep 10, 2008

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What I mean is that between Memorial Day and Labor Day there were twice as many murders on Chicago's South and West sides as American combat deaths in Iraq. Glad to see Chicago minorities are so stoked at the prospect of a Chicago black running for Presifdent.

So this is some sort of "comparative morality." Something is moral because something else is immoral.

This is the pathology of modern Republicanism. It wasn't always like this.

Pa(b)st Prime · Sep 10, 2008

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So this is some sort of "comparative morality." Something is moral because something else is immoral.

This is the pathology of modern Republicanism. It wasn't always like this.

John McCains divorce three decades ago has little effect on my day to day routine. No more than Reagan's divorce did or Clinton's blow jobs. The lawlessness in Daley's Chicago-you may know him, his campaign manager is also Obama's-DOES effect me. I've yet to hear Obama speak a single word about the murder and mayhem in Chicago.

And Dave get off your high horse.

If Edwards was running against McCain you'd be voting Edwards.

If Gore with his drug addled kid was opposing McCain you'd vote Gore.

If Bill Clintion were able to run again you'd be voting Clinton.

You alibi Obama's relationship with Rezko-a relationship that was morally and ethically flawed but then go on a tangent about troopergate-an action that was probably morally righteous.

You may notice that unlike your Obama alibiing I spend zero time apologizing for McCain. Mac's a douche. But at least he's a patriotic douche and the day I'd vote for an incompetent Chicago Democrat to anything weightier than Chicago alderman is the day I'll take my toys to GC or Bermuda and never look back.

bigdavediode · Sep 10, 2008

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John McCains divorce three decades ago has little effect on my day to day routine. No more than Reagan's divorce did or Clinton's blow jobs. The lawlessness in Daley's Chicago-you may know him, his campaign manager is also Obama's-DOES effect me. I've yet to hear Obama speak a single word about the murder and mayhem in Chicago.

There seems to be a lot of things you don't seem to know about. Tell me, have you even been to his website?

And Dave get off your high horse.

He's not high, just drunk.

If Edwards was running against McCain you'd be voting Edwards.

If Gore with his drug addled kid was opposing McCain you'd vote Gore.

If Bill Clintion were able to run again you'd be voting Clinton.

As I've written before, after the debt and the failed war and the general failure of the Republicans to lead, if a ham sandwich were able to run against the Republicans I would vote for the ham sandwich.

You alibi Obama's relationship with Rezko-a relationship that was morally and ethically flawed but then go on a tangent about troopergate-an action that was probably morally righteous.

Okay, what was his "relationship" with Rezko in your words?

You may notice that unlike your Obama alibiing I spend zero time apologizing for McCain. Mac's a douche. But at least he's a patriotic douche and the day I'd vote for an incompetent Chicago Democrat to anything weightier than Chicago alderman is the day I'll take my toys to GC or Bermuda and never look back.

So McCain is patriotic and Obama isn't. huh. The reality is that both candidates are patriotic, and both are generally decent people.

The Republican party keeps trying to sell us that the Democrats hate the country, are unpatriotic, etc. etc. and then have the gall to complain about a divided country.

Pa(b)st Prime · Sep 10, 2008

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There seems to be a lot of things you don't seem to know about. Tell me, have you even been to his website?

Even though Americans frequently list crime as their number one concern Obama buries crime under the sub heading "Urban Affairs." While the word "gang" is no where to be seen he devotes a lengthy passage on his opposition to profiling.

He's not high, just drunk.

As I've written before, after the debt and the failed war and the general failure of the Republicans to lead, if a ham sandwich were able to run against the Republicans I would vote for the ham sandwich.

By what measure is the war a failure? Did we lose? And even if I concede Iraq was a mistake then why would you vote for a Democrats (as I'm sure you did in 2004) who voted FOR Iraq.

Okay, what was his "relationship" with Rezko in your words?

Probably the definitive piece on Obama/Rezko. The Sun-Times could have mentioned a few additional things. Rezko wasn't just Obamas largest contributer. He was Obama's biggest contributer by a factor of 10x. What's troubling?

"The interview followed months in which Obama had avoided questions about Rezko and tried to downplay their relationship."

"Obama acknowledged that Rezko had raised $250,000 for him â about $100,000 more than had previously been disclosed and about five times more than Obama conveyed during a November 2006 question-and-answer exchange with the Sun-Times."

"Obama also defended signing a 1998 letter urging the state to fund a low-income housing project developed by Rezko and Obamaâs former boss, Allison Davis â both of whom were clients of Obamaâs law firm as well as campaign contributors. Obama said he didnât remember writing the âform letterâ until the Sun-Times asked about it last June."

" Obama said he sometimes talked strategy with Rezko daily."

"Later, in January 2006, Obama bought a 10-foot-wide strip of Rita Rezkoâs lot at a time when Rezko was widely known to be under federal investigation â a move Obama called âabsolutely a mistake.â

This was one peculiar friggin' relationship.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/844634,obamasun031508.article

So McCain is patriotic and Obama isn't. huh. The reality is that both candidates are patriotic, and both are generally decent people.

The Republican party keeps trying to sell us that the Democrats hate the country, are unpatriotic, etc. etc. and then have the gall to complain about a divided country.

I agree Obama is a decent but weird guy. He went out of his way to wish me good luck even though I was running against a close friend of his. I'm also astute enough to not view charm as an attribute of character either.

A patriotic guy wouldn't have stayed in Wright's church for 20 years. A patriot would've said that any board Ayers is on, I'm not. A patriotic political party wouldn't nominate a man who protested Vietnam on the steps of the Kremlin. Or one who met with the Vietcong. Or compromised our economy at Kyoto with our polluting Asian competitors exempt. Or the litany of clowns who voted yea on Iraq and yea on the Patriot Act when it seemed politically expedient but then campaigned as if they'd been deceived after sentiment went the other way. Those are the reasons my friend as to why common sense, white male America has supported exactly one Democrat for President since 1944.