Is putting dirt on one candidate makes another one better?

Quote from Pa(b)st Prime:Even though Americans frequently list crime as their number one concern Obama buries crime under the sub heading "Urban Affairs." While the word "gang" is no where to be seen he devotes a lengthy passage on his opposition to profiling.[/b]

Is that right? What does this say, on his website under "Crime and Law Enforcement?"

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/


By what measure is the war a failure? Did we lose? And even if I concede Iraq was a mistake then why would you vote for a Democrats (as I'm sure you did in 2004) who voted FOR Iraq.

No, they voted for the authorization to use force if there was a threat. But you're right in one sense, though, that they never should have voted for it as it required confidence in Bush's skills as a leader and his staff's skills on intelligence. This is the guy who appointed a horse trainer to head up FEMA.

So yes, there is culpability on the Democrat side.

Okay, what was his "relationship" with Rezko in your words?

Probably the definitive piece on Obama/Rezko. The Sun-Times could have mentioned a few additional things. Rezko wasn't just Obamas largest contributer. He was Obama's biggest contributer by a factor of 10x. What's troubling?

It's impossible to verify that as Opensecrets only has donor information for the current election.

"The interview followed months in which Obama had avoided questions about Rezko and tried to downplay their relationship."

Yes, of course.

"Obama acknowledged that Rezko had raised $250,000 for him � about $100,000 more than had previously been disclosed and about five times more than Obama conveyed during a November 2006 question-and-answer exchange with the Sun-Times."

Yes, Obama revised the number. He originally estimated about $150,000.

"Obama also defended signing a 1998 letter urging the state to fund a low-income housing project developed by Rezko and Obama�s former boss, Allison Davis � both of whom were clients of Obama�s law firm as well as campaign contributors. Obama said he didn�t remember writing the �form letter� until the Sun-Times asked about it last June."

Obama went to bat for people in low-income housing, yes. He advocated projects for them.

" Obama said he sometimes talked strategy with Rezko daily."

I'd like to see your citation for this quote of Obama's.

"Later, in January 2006, Obama bought a 10-foot-wide strip of Rita Rezko�s lot at a time when Rezko was widely known to be under federal investigation � a move Obama called �absolutely a mistake.�

Yes, he bought a 10 foot strip of land from the guy. He paid much more than the asking price.

This was one peculiar friggin' relationship.

Doesn't sound like it. Sounds like a fundraising bundler trying to ingratiate himself with a politician. McCain knows about these types.

Nowhere in there did Obama do anything ethically wrong. Buying property off a guy for more than the asking price is not a crime, and he did that to reduce the appearance of impropriety.

I agree Obama is a decent but weird guy. He went out of his way to wish me good luck even though I was running against a close friend of his. I'm also astute enough to not view charm as an attribute of character either.

Well let's just agree that Obama clearly isn't Dick Cheney.

A patriotic guy wouldn't have stayed in Wright's church for 20 years.

Why not? 90% of Wrights message was a fine message, and he didn't go off the rails until after Obama went to DC.

A patriot would've said that any board Ayers is on, I'm not.

Why? Ayers is a professor and has never been convicted of any crime, nor has he hurt anyone.

quote] A patriotic political party wouldn't nominate a man who protested Vietnam on the steps of the Kremlin. [/quote]

On the contrary, I have no idea who you're referring to (although I have a feeling you'll tell us all) but it takes much more patriotism to object to injustice than to meekly surrender to a political party.

Or one who met with the Vietcong.

McCain met with the Vietcong. Why was it wrong?

Or compromised our economy at Kyoto with our polluting Asian competitors exempt.

Now you're drifting from patriotism into nonsense. The idea of CO2 markets were introduced by Republicans, by the way. Until they weren't.

Or the litany of clowns who voted yea on Iraq and yea on the Patriot Act when it seemed politically expedient but then campaigned as if they'd been deceived after sentiment went the other way.

Well most didn't even read the Patriot act, and as for Iraq there's no question that we were decieved.

Those are the reasons my friend as to why common sense, white male America has supported exactly one Democrat for President since 1944.

And Republicans get upset when the Republican party is described as the White People's party. It is.
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Muddying up debates and resorting to dirty rumours favour strongly negative emotions. I think the conservatives have an advantage there, because they take a starting stance/viewpoint of conflict, while others seeking considerations and mutual understanding get their attempts thwarted.

Under a systemic observation...
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