Is It a Reversal or a Pullback?

Not true because you're mixing together two different purposes.

The purpose of the identification is to determine if its a pullback or a reversal and you can do such without hindsight. Thus, you can do such in real-time as it is occurring.

In contrast, the second issue is at the moment you determine what it is...there's no such thing as "absolute certain" that it will continue as such after your entry.

Thus, be careful how you mix up the purpose because its best to keep them separated and there's no such thing as "absolute certain". Further, that's why I keep saying (multiple times in this thread)...do not become a one dimensional trader because they are the ones that if they determine its a pullback and then the market does something different after entry...they usually freeze like a deer on a dark rode when it sees headlights...results usually not pretty.

Therefore, it only make sense to be prepared if that pullback on entry decides to do something else after entry and you'll then no longer need to look for "absolute certain" results as if you're trying to outsmart the markets.

Best to just concentrate on trying to be profitable (prepare for different outcomes) instead of smart (absolute certain).

Prepare for different outcomes = Dynamic Trader

Nowhere did I suggest that anyone should search for absolute certainty. Quite the opposite. No one can trade with hindsight, hence there is no absolute certainty in trading. Forgive me for not belaboring the obvious.
 
But that's the whole rub, innit? The only way to know for absolute certain whether a move is a pullback or a reversal is with hindsight. In the case of a pullback, if you hesitate to buy because you fear it might be a reversal, you've lost your opportunity to buy the dip. In the case of a reversal, if you hesitate to sell because you fear it might be a pullback, you've lost additional profits. How to tell the difference in the moment rather than after the fact? That's the whole point of this thread, innit? Whether you go with wrb's 50+ classification (he says the number doesn't matter but he did mention the number in three separate posts) or something more reasonable, the challenge for PA traders is some sort of "switching detector" for at least estimating probability of a given move being either a pullback or a reversal. Perhaps similar to the switching mechanism some traders use that indicates when to change from trend trading to counter-trend trading or vice versa.
With all due respect, but I don't agree with "[T]he only way to know for absolute certain whether a move is a pullback or a reversal is with hindsight." This is merely a truism. If you want absolute certainty, you won't find it. Be that as it may, do you not know ahead of time where you should exit the trade should price go against you? Why can't you apply the same concept to the pullbacks and reversals? Just my opinion, of course.

Edit: it appears that you said pretty much what I've just wrote in your last post. :)
 
Is It a Reversal or a Pullback?

This is the question everyone who learns TA eventually asks. It's equivalent to asking, "What happens next?" Nobody has a definitive answer. I have seen many attempts to answer this question with qualifiers, but nobody really knows what happens next. If you could answer this question with any consistency, you would be wealthy very, very quickly. And who do you know that is? Correct ... nobody, except for the occasional lucky monkey.
 
Is It a Reversal or a Pullback?

This is the question everyone who learns TA eventually asks. It's equivalent to asking, "What happens next?" Nobody has a definitive answer. I have seen many attempts to answer this question with qualifiers, but nobody really knows what happens next. If you could answer this question with any consistency, you would be wealthy very, very quickly. And who do you know that is? Correct ... nobody, except for the occasional lucky monkey.
You've answered your own question. Granted, there's no holy grail or secret to successful trading. However, those lucky few who are able to ask and answer the right question will advance to the next level. When was the last time a serious question(s) was/were asked about a reversal? This is a rhetorical question, so no need for a reply.
 
... do you not know ahead of time where you should exit the trade should price go against you?
Of course. I get out when my indicator shows that the current trend has disappeared or reversed.

Why can't you apply the same concept to the pullbacks and reversals?
Aside from the fact that my indicator doesn't work that way, there's the fact that pullbacks and reversals occur in the same direction: opposite to the current trend. The difference is that one is an end to the trend and the other is just a pause in the trend. Knowing the difference as soon as the move manifests is the challenge.
 
there's the fact that pullbacks and reversals occur in the same direction: opposite to the current trend. The difference is that one is an end to the trend and the other is just a pause in the trend. Knowing the difference as soon as the move manifests is the challenge.
I am intrigued. What is the right question?

I can't say I have the answer. Even if I did, you won't hear it from me or anyone else. After all, this thread ain't about providing answers but rather to aid in stimulating you to ask questions that you might have otherwise overlooked.

Anyway, I believe you are not being honest with yourself. You must know there's more to reversal/pullback than just being the two faces of the same coin—reversal being the head, pullback the tail. Allow me to address the same question in a different way. Is the "dip" (pullback) same as the "breakdown" (reversal)? Just when does a dip become a breakdown? That is, when does a dip fail? On the contrary, if the dip holds, does that mean the reversal failed? I could go on and on, but you get my drift.

BTW I hope I don't rub anyone up the wrong way if I sounded like a guru, which is the last thing I have in mind.
 
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