Is Israel preparing to strike Iran?

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Quote from southamerica:
Where do you live in the United States?

Are you located in the New York Metropolitan area?

Why, is there a reunion of House of Windsor exiles that I'm unaware of?

 

[WAKE-UP]

Quote from dddooo:

I can only imagine how pissed off you're going to be when Israel eventually does what it has to do and wipes out Iranian nuclear facilities. God forbid the only true liberal democracy in the Middle East defeats their enemies, protects their citizens and preserves their free and democratic way of life - what a fucking nightmare!!!

Israel is an apertheid state, in which fuctions a democratic apparatus. It's more comparable to democracy in Rhodesia and in Ancient greece, the latter only allowing men to vote, where Israel only allows Jews to do so.

Dreaded Russian and Polish Zionists only became interested in the mideast after it was discovered the world's oils supplies sat there. Suddenly they rediscovered their birth right, slithered out of Russia and Poland, and infested Palestine.

They dug up the bible they had written to hypnotize the Goyim, and used the Hokas Pokas of the holy land birthright, as credentials.


In their effort to take control of Palestine from the British, the Zionists waged a campaign of relentless terror, including the bombing of the King David Hotel, which killed 93 people. They ruthlessly murdered British officials and soldiers. The Zionists assassinated anyone in their way, including the world-respected U.N. mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte, who dared to tell the world of the Zionist terror and murder campaign. A favorite tactic of the Irgun and Stern terrorist gangs was to kidnap British soldiers and slowly torture them to death. Israel was also the first nation to employ the modern terrorist technique of the letter bomb; and over the years sent out hundreds of them, killing dozens of their enemies and many bystanders all over the world. The current terrorism of mailing anthrax infected letters is simply a logical stepchild of the letter bomb.

Israel, instead of being a place that exports apples and oranges, is a parasitic state sucking up the wealth of western nations under the "holocaust" umbrella.

The Palestinians, of course, have been the greatest victims of this half a century of Israeli terror. In fact, Israel carved its state out of Palestine through a deliberate policy of mass terror against the Palestinians. It was the method by which they drove 800,000 of them from their homes, businesses and farms. In his book The Revolt10, former Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, boasts about his role in the massacre of the 254 Palestinians at Deir Yassin. (Most of the victims were elderly men, women and children who remained in the Israeli-occupied village) In his book, Begin points out that Deir Yassin and other massacres caused panic among the residents, causing them to flee in terror from their homes. This intentional mass terror enabled the Zionists to take control of Palestine. And, it should be noted that the refugees are still not permitted to return home after more than half a century!

The terror of Israeli torture: at least 150,000 victims


The brutal torture of thousands of one's enemies must be classified as a particularly vicious form of terrorism. Tens of thousands of Palestinians have been tortured in Israeli jails. A Jewish human rights group in Israel confirmed in a 60-page report that 85% of Palestinian detainees undergo torture while in custody.17 And make no mistake about it; many of the tortures endured by these Palestinian victims are the stuff of one's worst nightmares. Israeli torture includes everything from choking victims with urine and feces soaked bags tied over their heads, to using electric cattle prods for anal rape and mutilation. Israel often doesn't even admit to who they are holding, so if they decide to kill or torture a Palestinian to death while he is in custody, his body will simply disappear, or they will later claim that they died in a battle with Israeli police before capture. Many thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese have died while in Israeli custody.


A feature article by Joel Greenburg in the very pro-Israel New York Times stated matter-of-factly that Israel tortures 500 to 600 Palestinians every month.(18) That figure, which is probably too low as it comes from the pro-Israel New York Times, means that each year at least 6,000 Palestinians are tortured in Israel. Torture of Palestinians has been going on in Israel since 1948 (53 years to date). Even if one uses just one-half of the number of Palestinians that Mr. Greenburg says suffer torture each year -- at least 150,000 human beings have been tortured in Israeli jails since the founding of the Jewish state.


Bowing to Israe's public relations problems because of its legalized torture, in 1999 the Israeli Supreme Court made an intentionally vague ruling that torture is sometimes illegal, but Israeli and Palestinian rights groups offer much evidence that the ruling was just a public-relations veneer. They offer evidence that torture continues just as did before the ruling.19


Following Israel’s lead, Jewish journalists are now beginning to advocate the use of torture in America! A recent issue of Newsweek headlined an article entitled "Time to think about torture; it's a new world, and survival may well require old techniques that seemed out of the question."20 Even a supposed Jewish champion of civil liberties, Alan Dershowitz, now advocates it.21


Victor Ostrovsky, a former Israeli Mossad agent, wrote two books about Israel's terror against their enemies. In one of them, he discusses the fate of Palestinians who illegally cross the border in search of work in Israel. Many thousands of these young men simply are never heard from again after being captured by Israel's forces. Some of them are taken to the ABC research facilities where they endure the indescribable terror of chemical, nuclear or biological warfare.


... ABC standing for atomic, bacteriological, and chemical. It was where our top epidemiological scientists were developing various doomsday machines ... should there be an all-out war in which this type of weapon would be needed; there was no room for error. The Palestinian infiltrators came in handy in this regard. As human guinea pigs, they could make sure the weapons the scientist were developing worked properly and could verify how fast they worked and make them more efficient.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from WAKE-UP:

Israel is an apertheid state, in which fuctions a democratic apparatus. It's more comparable to democracy in Rhodesia and in Ancient greece, the latter only allowing men to vote, where Israel only allows Jews to do so.

JAMES CARTER, FMR. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: "...Israel is a wonderful democracy with freedom of speech and equality of treatment under the law between Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis..."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/13/ltm.03.html

 

[tradermaji]

DD..

Israel is indeed a democracy and I believe the Israeli Arabs have the right to vote too. I think I heard on NPR a few days ago of an Arab being elected to the Israeli cabinet.

The only thing I don't like in the Arab/Israeli deal is the enormous amount of aid that US gives Israel. I don't think we should be giving a wealthy country that much of handouts.

 

[dddooo]

Quote from tradermaji:

DD..

Israel is indeed a democracy and I believe the Israeli Arabs have the right to vote too. I think I heard on NPR a few days ago of an Arab being elected to the Israeli cabinet.

The only thing I don't like in the Arab/Israeli deal is the enormous amount of aid that US gives Israel. I don't think we should be giving a wealthy country that much of handouts.

Maji, you are absolutely correct and Israeli arabs do indeed vote, they have several (I believe five) Israeli Arab political parties that sit in the Israeli Knesset and Israel recently approved the first Muslim and Arab Cabinet Minister in its history.

The situation with the aid to Israel is a little more complicated though. First of all the aid to Israel is about 2.5-2.6 billion dollars a year, this is not pocket change but it's not an enormous amount either IMHO. The aid was originally pledged to Israel and Egypt as part of the Camp David Accords, ironically it was pledged by Carter's administration. Quite a lot of people keep complaining about our aid to Israel but they never complain about approximately the same amount of aid to Egypt and Jordan. The point is though we pledged the money, it was part of the deal, we can't just say forget it.

More importantly IMO, Israel is the regional superpower and our aid (together with political support of course) is the only leverage we have with them, we stop the aid, we completely lose the ability to affect events on the ground, we lose any possibility to ever influence Israel's policies and actions. And regardless of what a bunch of idiots and conspiracy freaks believe - our restraining influence on Israel is extremely important.

Besides Israel spends the money on American weaponry, in essence most of the money comes back to this country. Israel does not have to buy expensive laser-guided american bombs, it might as well buy cheap russian or chinese conventional bombs and likely save more than what we give them. But next time Israel's trying to take out Hezbollah's headquarters in Beirut it may end up destroying not just one building but several residential blocks with those cheap chinese bombs. Do we really want that to happen?

 

[tradermaji]

ddd,

I am not sure if Israel has kept all promises made in that accord. If they did not, then we don't have to keep ours. Egypt and Jordan are very poor countries and I am all for helping the poor and not giving handouts to the rich.

As for our leverage over Israel, it is of no use. It appears that Israel has more leverage on the US

I think if the US stops supporting Israel, then the Chinese and the Russians will sell weapons to both sides. With the oil money, I think the Arabs and Persians will be in much better position to protect themselves from aggression. I think the US are more interested in protecting the Jewish interests, due to the enormous financial influence here, than really being interested in protecting the Arabs from Israeli aggression.

In summary, we should stop supporting Israel and also not take sides with the Arabs. However, if Israel attacks any other country without just cause, then we should work with UN to send an army to protect that country, just the way did to liberate kuwait from saddam.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Ohhh, so if you are going to use an appeal to authority with a Carter quote, then everything Carter says about Israel must also be true...

http://www.google.com/search?num=10...sult&cd=1&q=jimmy+carter+slams+israel&spell=1

Quote from dddooo:

JAMES CARTER, FMR. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: "...Israel is a wonderful democracy with freedom of speech and equality of treatment under the law between Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis..."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/13/ltm.03.html

 

[SouthAmerica]

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Tradernik: Why, is there a reunion of House of Windsor exiles that I'm unaware of?


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February 26, 2007

SouthAmerica: Reply to Tradernik

No – Sorry to disappoint you about your personal wish.

But I can do better than that – on Thursday I am going to meet a former president of Brazil in New York City, and I can arrange for you to meet him as well if you are interested.

It is that simple.


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[I am...]

There will be wars, and rumors of wars.

Jesus

 

[WAKE-UP]

Quote from dddooo:

JAMES CARTER, FMR. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: "...Israel is a wonderful democracy with freedom of speech and equality of treatment under the law between Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis..."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/13/ltm.03.html

A few years ago, the UN Conference on Racism labeled Israel an "Apartheid state," also signaled growing disapproval of Israel. Then, suddenly, the attack on the World Trade Center changed the world's mood back to Israel's favor. Was this just a fortunate coincidence for Israel?

Israel is a terrorist state that practices collonialism in Syria and occupied territories in the West Bank. They refused to obey to dozens of UN resolutions and nobody complains.

"Throughout the West Bank ... settlers are given preferential treatment over Palestinians in terms of movement"

- John Dugard
UN human rights envoy

Some small scale terrorism committed by IDF and settlers:

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Throughout the West Bank ... settlers are given preferential treatment over Palestinians in terms of movement


The UN's Special Rapporteur, John Dugard, describes the regime as being designed to dominate and systematically oppress the occupied population.

Mr Dugard is a South African professor of international law assigned to monitor Israeli human rights abuses.

He has extensively studied apartheid in South Africa and has compared it to what he saw under Israeli rule.

Special rapporteurs are independent experts appointed by the UN secretary general to present reports on human rights to the organisation.

Their findings do not represent UN policy.

In a new report, Mr Dugard says: "Israel's laws and practices certainly resemble aspects of apartheid".

He points to what he describes as "unashamed discrimination" against Palestinians in favour of Israeli settlers.

"It is difficult to resist the conclusion that many of Israel's laws and practices violate the 1966 Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Racial Discrimination," says the report.

"House demolitions in the West Bank and East Jerusalem are carried out in a manner that discriminates against Palestinians.

"Throughout the West Bank, and particularly in Hebron, settlers are given preferential treatment over Palestinians in terms of movement (major roads are reserved exclusively for settlers), building rights and army protection and laws governing family re-unification".

The report ranges widely over the events of the past year and focuses on the Israeli military assault on Gaza during the summer.

This came after Palestinian militants captured an Israeli soldier, who they are still holding.

The army also described its campaign as an effort to stop the firing of crudely-made rockets from Gaza into nearby Israeli towns and villages.

Militant groups like Islamic Jihad often describe these attacks as retaliation for army raids and killings.

During the reporting period, two Israelis died and 30 others were injured in these random Palestinian attacks on civilian targets, and Mr Dugard says that they clearly constitute war crimes.

'Controlled strangulation

But his report also condemns the two Israeli offensives launched to counter the missile threat from Gaza.

Four hundred Palestinians died, and some 1,500 were injured - many of them civilians. Three Israeli soldiers were killed.

Mr Dugard says that this was a "grossly disproportionate and indiscriminate" response that led to the army committing "multiple war crimes".

He also criticises the very tight controls that Israel maintains over the flow of goods and people in and out of Gaza.

These add to the poverty-stricken territory's chronic economic problems - contributing to mounting levels of unemployment and desperation.

Mr Dugard says that Israel is imposing a policy of "controlled strangulation" that is helping to give rise to a failed state on its doorstep.

The Israelis argue that their border controls around Gaza are necessary for security reasons.

Militants have attacked crossing points in the past, and a suicide bomber recently emerged from Gaza and killed three civilians in the Israeli resort city of Eilat.

And more broadly, Israel has dismissed Mr Dugard's report as being one-sided.

A foreign ministry spokesman, Mark Regev, said that it was a product of what he called "rank politicisation" of the UN's human rights apparatus.

"This is the promoting of partisan, one-sided political attitudes which frankly don't serve the interests of anyone who is seriously interested in human rights," Mr Regev said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6390755.stm