Is day trading worth it?

Mark Douglas put it best I think:
Rarely do any of us grow up learning how to operate in an arena that allows for complete freedom of creative expression, with no external structure to restrict it in any way. In the trading environment, you will have to make up your own rules and then have the discipline to abide by them.

The problem is, price movement is fluid, always in motion, quite unlike the highly structured events that most of us are accustomed to. In the market environment, the decisions that confront you are as endless as the price movements you intend to take advantage of. You don't just have to decide to participate, you also have to decide when to enter, how long to stay in, and under what conditions to get out.

There is no beginning, middle, or end - only what you create in your own mind.​

Yes. I like how Douglas explains environment of uncertainty and concludes we have to limit our own thinking to following the strict rule-based plan in order to become profitable traders.
 
Since it doesn't matter if a mentor is profitable or not, I'm now considering entering the mentoring business for struggling traders.

Let me know if you're interested.

Ironically, good mentor indeed doesn't have to be a golden champion. Many glorious sport coaches never were champions, many great professors did not get Nobel etc.

And the opposite: great trader (or other professional) may be an awful mentor.

Skill of teaching something is different from the skill of performance in the same something.
 
Oh, pardon me? I didn't catch that. You don't have a detailed analysis of at least 100 appearances of this setup.

I do.

Maybe that's why I magically know when to trade it, how to trade it and how to manage the trade after I'm in.

If spending hours and hours doing that sort of tedious analysis isn't your cup of tea, then you have the answer to the question posed by this thread.

Relax, Donna. Have a laugh. Don't take yourself so seriously. It was meant as a fun joke in good spirits. I laughed. Bigsnack laughed. Maybe a few others as well. :)

In fact, I've done a lot of the type of analysis you're suggesting here and I do find that it's very beneficial. I'll admit that I didn't spend an enormous amount of time on triangles specifically, although I've certainly studied them, but I spent an enormous amount of time studying major and minor swing highs and swings lows through various time frames.

But you're of course naturally assuming that I never put in any work to try and figure out the markets.

If you feel that I've wronged you in any way, maybe you can find it in your heart to forgive me. :)

Best regards.

1. Think of someone you believe has done you wrong and toward whom you have great anger and resentment.

2. Call or visit this person and forgive them.
 
Ironically, good mentor indeed doesn't have to be a golden champion. Many glorious sport coaches never were champions, many great professors did not get Nobel etc.

And the opposite: great trader (or other professional) may be an awful mentor.

Skill of teaching something is different from the skill of performance in the same something.

Yeah, that's true. I'm well aware of that.

At my former work place, I had two bosses. The most skilled one was the worst teacher by far.

Regardless, both were proficient in their fields and they had mentored other people who became successful before me.

If you're referring to fat football coaches and such, it should be said that while they may not be able to play themselves, they do understand the game. And most importantly, those fat coaches actually produced RESULTS.

And it may very well be true that a skilled trader will be a horrible teacher, but who would you rather teach from, the guy who's actually earning a buck trading or the guy who have nothing but losses to show for?

If I were to be taught by a losing trader, I would at least want to know that he had a produced results by having profitable students.
 
Yeah, that's true. I'm well aware of that.

At my former work place, I had two bosses. The most skilled one was the worst teacher by far.

Regardless, both were proficient in their fields and they had mentored other people who became successful before me.

If you're referring to fat football coaches and such, it should be said that while they may not be able to play themselves, they do understand the game. And most importantly, those fat coaches actually produced RESULTS.

And it may very well be true that a skilled trader will be a horrible teacher, but who would you rather teach from, the guy who's actually earning a buck trading or the guy who have nothing but losses to show for?

If I were to be taught by a losing trader, I would at least want to know that he had a produced results by having profitable students.

True. You expect either stellar performance from mentor or stellar performance of his/her students.
 
True. You expect either stellar performance from mentor or stellar performance of his/her students.

Yes. So with all the mentoring here on ET, it would be interesting to know if any of the mentors or students are actually killing it. :)
 
We've gone a little away from the original topic lately, so maybe let's get back on track.

For day trading to be worth it to me, I would not be satisfied with just barely breaking even.

And I would certainly want to make more as a day trader as I would a swing trader.

If you can make equally much or more money as a swing trader, with less actual work to execute your trading plan (that's excluding making the plan) on a daily basis, less stress, less bound to your computer, more time to do other things, the choice should be rather simple.

Some will say you can do both and I do agree. But for me personally, I think that at this stage I would have to choose one of the two, both due to time limits, but also capital issues.
 
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