Is Capital Punishment ever justified?

Is Capital Punishment Ever Justified?

  • Yes

    Votes: 39 354.5%
  • No

    Votes: 21 190.9%

  • Total voters
    11
Quote from dgabriel:

Well do they hapaboy?
I don't know. You tell me. But don't worry, the association between you and Optional and your alter egos Beavis & Butthead is quite a natural thing and had nothing to do with whatever site you wish to research.

I suppose if I call the two of you Butch & Sundance you'll immediately accuse me of getting that from some movie studio website!

So how about an update on your research on the bevy of "innocent people" that have been executed by capital punishment in this great country of ours? :D

Now quick: PM/Call/Fax/E-mail/turn over Optional, huddle up, and discuss your next sure-to-be fascinating diatribe.
 
Quote from dgabriel:

No pow wow necessary. Your infantile and absurd behavior is universally and immediately recognizable.
Lame.

If true, you really need to continue clearing your posts with Optional/Beavis. When you go solo it's a vast drop in quality, which to be honest isn't really saying much at all.

Now be a good boy and check with mommy Optional before opening your mouth again.
 
Quote from slapaboy:

Dad says stop messing around on the computer and clean up the basement, NOW!
How original. You have 1 post to your name and you use it to deride me.

Hmmm, now I wonder who you might be!!!!

My but you're getting desperate.

ROFL! Just unbelievable that you're having to create new usernames just to try and insult me.

If you create enough usernames you may be able to bring the poll results down too! Just pathetic!

:D :D :D :D
 
Quote from hapaboy:

For those opposed to capital punishment who mention being in favor of prison sentences of life without parole for hard-core criminals (never mind that such sentences are not given out anywhere as often as they should be), take a look at the plain economic costs.

In 1997, in New Jersey, these were the costs:

$500,000 to put a new person in prison; $150,000 to build a new cell; $150,000 for arrest and prosecution; and $150,000 to $200,000 to incarcerate that person for five years.

So, you've basically spent $1.15 million dollars for imprisoning then caring for one prisoner for 5 years.

Apparently in Jersey in '97 then, incarcerating one inmate cost $30,000 to $40,000 per year. Let's go with the conservative figure of $30,000 and forget for the moment that costs have gone up in the past 6 years. Let's also assume Jersey's prison costs are more or less on par with the rest of the nation's.

Okay, tab so far for holding one prisoner for 5 years = $1.15 million.

If we put them in for life, how many more years shall we add to the tab? I don't know what the statistics are for the average age of violent offenders, but for the sake of this discussion let's get extremely conservative and set the average age of the prisoner at 40 when they enter the system. So now they're 45 and we've spent $1.15 million on them already. Since the national average life expectancy for the US male is around 72 years old, I believe, let's get conservative again and make it 70.

So our 45-year-old convict who has up to now cost us $1.15 million has another 25 years of life in him. 25 years multiplied by $30,000 = $750,000. Add that to what we've spent on him thus far and you get $1.9 million dollars.

Throw in a little inflation over those 25 years and basically you're conservatively looking at around $2 million for coddling each convict until they die.

Hmmm, isn't the LIFETIME wealth accumulation rate for your average hard-working and honest American around $1 million?

Does it make any sense at all that we as a society spend TWICE as much money on a person who has committed horrible crimes to innocent members of our community than what one of us (should our trading careers fail) can expect to earn in our entire life?

Is it not absolutely RIDICULOUS that we spend more money on prison inmates than educating our kids and feeding the hungry?

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Cost of a good piece of rope at your average hardware store: $20

Cost of a .22 magnum bullet: 16 cents.

Cost of allowing a violent criminal back into society: Incalculable.

What is an innocent person's life worth? To the anti-death penalty crowd, apparently not very much at all.
killing people to save money???

why is it we don't just put harebrained guys like u behind a treadwheel and feed them manure for life u may ask yrself? that'd be pretty economical, and eco-friendly etc...


boy if any money and family / community effort, time etc was ever spent on attempting to educate u, feed u etc THAT was obviously a huge waste... whats a natural moron's life worth?... way too much
 
capital punishment's pretty useless as a deterrent, that much is clear... the question is, 1) should our judicial system(s) attempt to provide some form of closure to the victims, the bereaved, the community at large where appropriate, and if yes, 2) in those cases where there unquestionably is no room whatsoever for judicial error - and there aren't many -, is capital punishment an appropriate tool...

i'd say:
1) no
2) perhaps for some people but thats about therapy, not justice...
 
Quote from dgabriel:

No. Because it is fundamentally immoral. Thou shalt not kill.

Violence begets violence. State sanctioned violence like capital punishment belongs in the dustbin of history.

Do I believe these crimes deserve severe punishment? Yes. Do I think the offenders can be rehabilitated? Doubtful. How would I feel if a loved one were the victim of one of these crimes? I would want to kill the offender. But I would rather have justice served by a court of law than under vengeance.

I am willing to pay my share of taxes for the judicial system and prisons. I also believe - perhaps with utopian naivate - that these sorts of crimes will be reduced in the future, perhaps distant future, as society matures and finds ways of reducing them and finds ways of raising fewer atrocious criminals among us.

However, I am not so hopeful as to the reduction of the future Kozlowskis and Waksals, I fear they are a cyclical breed.

Drug Dealers, Murderers, Rapists, Child Molesters. Is that all? Are you sure there is no other category of criminal that you'd like to have whacked? How have you selected these groups, by the viciousness of thier crime, thier moral repugnance, or their corrosive and destructive effect? And is this answer - capital punishment - one of punishment or deterrence.

Further, how have you arrived at your position on this issue?

It's 'thou shall not murder". Big difference. The correct translation is murder, not kill.

If you think I'm just trying to play games with translations, etc., then explain away the killing of all the "ites" in the promised land that God ordered.
 
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