Is Atheism a crutch for people who don’t understand the complexity of God?

[jonbig04]

Quote from Gringinho:

Your "since man and ape share 95% genetic material, god didnt create man -- Do you see how dumb that is?" is not complete. Because evolution already proves that there is evolutionary progress - as a true fact - and this is completely in line with the shared DNA of humans to other species... that proves that we are in fact evolved with common ancestors of other primates.

Do you lack all ability to think critically? Seriously. Evolution in progress, ok great...what does that change? You could substitute that with the 95% thing with the "evolution in progress" and still get the same result.

However your "Maybe god just likes apes so he created to creatures that are alike. This PROVES NOTHING." -- now THAT is truly uncomprehendingly stupid.

You're right, it is stupid. I chose it because it was easy to think of and even though its stupid and ridiculous and kind of makes you want to laugh, science STILL CANT DISPROVE it. I could think about it and come up with something that sounds better but whats the point? You can't even disprove the stupid arguments.

Creationism as taught in the religious texts has been disproved by sciences. That you say "maybe he already created history into everything at an instant" - now that is just contradictory to what the religious texts all say.

What? Ok go right now and find a passage in the bible that "contradicts" my claim that God could have created the earth with "apparent age". You wont find one. Why did you make that up? And even if you did, we aren't yet talking about the character of this God, just about creation...he could very well have been lying.

Please let me know where in the bible it says that God DID NOT create the earth with age.


Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I just want to know if you are already resorting to making things up.

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from Gringinho:

I will show you over and over again that reasoning and thinking will get me anywhere within reality and saneness.

Agreed with the exception of THIS subject, which is why you are fumbling for things to say.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from Thunderdog:

From the little I know about him, I don't think Einstein was irrational in any way. Rather, he was either misquoted a lot or some of what he had said and written was misinterpreted, either innocently or otherwise. Einstein was not a theist. He was a pantheist who, in his wonderment, essentially referred to nature as god. It was a poetic reference rather than a literal one. He had disputed his alleged belief in a personal god.

That makes sense to me, as it is difficult to understand how someone with Einsteins insight could have accepted a conventional belief in god.

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from Gringinho:

Albert Einstein was agnostic and yes, maybe a pantheist. He was also a Zionist and had a political agenda concerning Jews and Israel. That cannot be left out of the picture when considering Einstein and religion.

I don't know the details, but I would think that any such affinity he may have had had more to do with heritage than religion; race, for lack of a better word, rather than religious views.

 

[jonbig04]

You guys are strikingly similar to southern baptists. Opposite ends of the spectrum, sure, but everything else is eerily similar. I've had to deal with enough of them, and its funny to find such dogmatic people on the other side.

 

[Gringinho]

Quote from jonbig04:


However your "Maybe god just likes apes so he created to creatures that are alike. This PROVES NOTHING." -- now THAT is truly uncomprehendingly stupid.

You're right, it is stupid. I chose it because it was easy to think of and even though its stupid and ridiculous and kind of makes you want to laugh, science STILL CANT DISPROVE it. I could think about it and come up with something that sounds better but whats the point? You can't even disprove the stupid arguments.

Creationism as taught in the religious texts has been disproved by sciences. That you say "maybe he already created history into everything at an instant" - now that is just contradictory to what the religious texts all say.

What? Ok go right now and find a passage in the bible that "contradicts" my claim that God could have created the earth with "apparent age". You wont find one. Why did you make that up? And even if you did, we aren't yet talking about the character of this God, just about creation...he could very well have been lying.

Please let me know where in the bible it says that God DID NOT create the earth with age.


Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I just want to know if you are already resorting to making things up.

Science proves that species have evolved and share similar genetic material. Period. Accept that or be silent, because you are just spewing out the most silly claims that are contradictory to saneness, soundness, reality, common sense -- and just because "it is easy to think of" does not make you anything other than a crazy delusional nut that may be in need of professional mental assistance and service attention.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism
YEC was abandoned as a mainstream scientific concept around the start of the 19th century. Many scientists see it as a faith position, and regard attempts to prove it scientifically as being little more than religiously motivated pseudoscience.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_inerrancy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_of_faith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_the_Bible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_history


According to Genesis - the age of everything stems from around 5500 BCE or back to 4000 BCE.
Before that - there was nothing, according to Genesis. Being "perfect" the Abrahamic religion deity would not make such a stupid error as to falsely create the impression of "older age".

 

[Gringinho]

Quote from Thunderdog:

I don't know the details, but I would think that any such affinity he may have had had more to do with heritage than religion; race, for lack of a better word, rather than religious views.

The Zionist political agenda and ethnicity of Albert Einstein surely was not without effect on his religious statements. He made political and religious statements, which relations cannot be disqualified.

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from Gringinho:

Science proves that species have evolved and share similar genetic material. Period. Accept that or be silent, because you are just spewing out the most silly claims that are contradictory to saneness, soundness, reality, common sense --

Agreed, but that doesnt have anything to do with whether they happened or didnt happen. Are you suggesting that things are impossible simply because they make no sense? I ask you again, where is your proof against my 1 minute in thought crazy theories?


and just because "it is easy to think of" does not make you anything than a crazy delusional nut that may be in need of professional mental assistance and service attention.

Just because its easy to think of DOESNT make me crazy? ok.... So since I am being so crazy and delusional surely you can easily prove me wrong? I ASK YOU AGAIN WHERE IS YOUR PROOF AGAINST MY "CRAZY" THEORIES?


According to Genesis - the age of everything stems from around 5500 BCE or back to 4000 BCE. Before that - there was nothing, according to Genesis. Being "perfect" the Abrahamic religion deity would not make such a stupid error as to falsely create the impression of "older age". ok there was nothing...what does that have to do with anything?


You said the bible "contradicted" my claim that maybe God created the earth with apparent age....where exactly? Did you not find the passage? Do you retract that statement?

The reason you can't answer my questions (Im having to ask them repeatedly) and the reason you are now making things up (the biblical contradiction you conveniently forgot to show me) is because you are fighting a battle you cant win. I'm not arguing for creationism, even though it may make you feel better to think that, I've had this conversation many times, but have taken the opposite approach. I am arguing for the complexity of the question. Its that simple. If you wish to continue I suggest you start to answer my questions as your skating around them is obvious.

 

[Gringinho]

Quote from jonbig04:

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According to Genesis - the age of everything stems from around 5500 BCE or back to 4000 BCE. Before that - there was nothing, according to Genesis. Being "perfect" the Abrahamic religion deity would not make such a stupid error as to falsely create the impression of "older age".
ok there was nothing...what does that have to do with anything?

You said the bible "contradicted" my claim that maybe God created the earth with apparent age....where exactly? Did you not find the passage? Do you retract that statement?
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The religious texts say the earth and human are only a few thousand years old, and that the creator deity is perfect - does not make mistakes. That means that a mistake like making millions of years of history "part of the creation" would not be perfect.

Just because you say it is not relevant - clearly in contradiction to the religious texts - really ties you further down to the loony bin bandwagon going on the emotional rollercoaster. If it wasn't for your straight-jacket you would probably be without arms as you try to launch yourself into the air at the high points and curves.




I know your point is that it's faith and not logic, reasoning or thinking that supports creationism.
As you can also see, I have made this point myself here on ET much longer than you.

However, when you come and try to use logics and science in FAVOUR of creationism - that is when you are going to get your loony ass whooped every time. Think about that a little.

Science incrementally favours irreligion and atheism. Period.

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from Gringinho:

The religious texts say the earth and human are only a few thousand years old, and that the creator deity is perfect - does not make mistakes.

Ok Im with you here.

That means that a mistake like making millions of years of history "part of the creation" would not be perfect.

Why would creating the earth with age be a mistake?



Just because you say it is not relevant - clearly in contradiction to the religious texts

Too bad you can't find any texts or quote to support this. I know the bible well I knew you were making this up as soon as you said it. Really dug yourself in deep with this one didn't you?

really ties you further down to the loony bin bandwagon going on the emotional rollercoaster. If it wasn't for your straight-jacket you would probably be without arms as you try to launch yourself into the air at the high points and curves.

You like to make fun of me but the fact is
you haven't answered a single[/] one of my questions. You can't even find a single passage to support the claim you made earlier about the bible 'contradicting' the age theory which means you are at the point of fabricating things to try to and prove your point. I knew it would end like this because it always does. You are trying to prove something that no one has ever been able to, I'm simply asking you for evidence which you dont have. You're reduced to insulting me because thats all you can do. You should quit now, your arguments, or lack thereof, are starting to get embarrassing and you know it. Next time, take care who you insult, because its obvious you have no where left to go in this debate.


However, when you come and try to use logics and science in FAVOUR of creationism - that is when you are going to get your loony ass whooped every time. Think about that a little.

I agree, science doesnt not support creationism. Please show me when I have said that it does. You would like for me to have said that, but unfortunately for you I'm not that stupid. I have never once said science supports creationism, just that it cannot refute it. I know you are getting desperate now that you are pretending I said something I didn't and then trying to refute it. lol. sorry, thats not going to work.


If you wish to continue, answer my questions or admit that you can't, then admit that you made up the whole "bible contradicting apparent age" thing, or find the evidence you said you had for it. Also find evidence of me saying the science supports creationism, or admit that you made that up to.

What did you think you could simply stray away from those things and I wouldnt notice?

What really sucks for you, is that this a 21 year old handing you your ass.