Is Atheism a crutch for people who don’t understand the complexity of God?

[Gringinho]

Quote from andrasnm:

There were atheists 100 years ago too. They thought these preventable illnesses were random.
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Also,

would it be fair to say that 100, 200, 300 or 400 years ago, it was not exactly "an easy life" to be an atheist?

How many atheists to religious people would you say there were back then; what do you think the ratio was?

Looking forward to your further insights on history and randomness.

 

[stu]

Quote from jem:

perhaps for some.

But for others Dirty Harry as the relevant quote. "a man has got to know his limitations".

And in the case of the what came before the big bang debate science is not on the side of the atheist.

Dirty Harry didn't say "a man has got to inflict whole hosts of pointless self-imposed religious limitations on himself" .

When the theist asks 'what came before God', there is no answer which wouldn't equally apply to 'what came before big bang'.
When the atheist asks what came before God, the answer is big bang .

But to tell you the truth, in all the sickeningly sanctimonious self-righteousness religious excitement , you can lose track yourself. If it's the wrong Sky Daddy you picked, God will blow your head clean off. So you've got to ask yourself one question; Do I feel lucky?
Well,
do ya, punk?
Science, now there's a thing. A possibility for opening up the chamber to see "Did he fire six shots or only five?".

 

[stu]

Quote from jonbig04:

lol any attempt of ours to understand God (or whether he exists or not) is feeble...but bro..your attempt is REALLY feeble. No offense.

Any attempt of ours ?? You mean any attempt of yours.
Who the hell are you to tell others their understanding is feeble, when the only understanding you say you have, is no understanding.
Your arbitrary decision to tell others what they understand is what's feeble "bro".

 

[Thunderdog]

Quote from jem:

Note I stated science is not on the side of the Atheist. You seem to be setting up some sort straw man. That is either unsporting or illogical. Did I just detect the knee jerk reaction most atheists feel when they are confronted with logic? Or were you really only joking? To what effect?

I do not think I have ever said or even thought there is "scientific proof" the God of Abraham created the big bang.

- Now if you wish to debate the logic of a Creator of the big bang - create your thesis an see if I take the other side of the argument.

By the way - earlier when I said the only rational argument is the one of the agnostic - that does not mean it is my position. I believe my position is better than rational. But, I do not expect you to believe it.

You open-mindedness is most inspiring. And your position is "better than rational?" Breathtaking! However, just keeping it at the "rational" agnostic level for the moment, I suspect that there is a lot of fodder in that folder. After all, we cannot scientifically disprove the claims of scientologists, therefore, it is only "rational" that we keep an open mind about their cherished beliefs. Then there are the pagan beliefs that must be given their due because, after all, we cannot definitively disprove them with measures of science. And let us not forget Bertrand Russell's celestial teapot. Frankly, I don't know how "rational" agnostics get around with so much baggage. How fortunate for you (and portable!) that your beliefs are even "better than rational."

 

[Jayford]

Quote from TraderZones:

By the way, I put Jayford on ignore yesterday. If he said something further, I really don't care.

Sorry if anyone was offended, but the man needs to stop leaning on certificates from internet diploma mills.

It was no longer worth the effort responding to someone who claims to be educated, but speaks and thinks like he is not.

Good. He never replied to even one of my arguments. Just attacked me personally. What a whack job!

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from stu:

Any attempt of ours ?? You mean any attempt of yours.
Who the hell are you to tell others their understanding is feeble, when the only understanding you say you have, is no understanding.
Your arbitrary decision to tell others what they understand is what's feeble "bro".

Feeble is the best word to describe it. Read this thread...and all the threads on religion for that matter...then read everything else you can get your hands on. You will get no where. Feeble.





Bro.

 

[Jayford]

Quote from Gringinho:

sho-tim,
I hope you will answer about shared DNA between humans and monkeys when you return to ET again...

The human genome is almost identical to that of chimps. Its off by 2% or something like that (an estimate as I'm too lazy to look up the exact figure). This is the fact that seriously riled TZ. He would never reply to this fact, but just go after me instead. If you believe in evolution and God, that's OK. Could have happened that way. But then if you use any logic, you have to believe that humans evolved from primates as the genome is so close. If you can't accept this, then you cannot accept evolution in general. It makes no sense.

 

[jonbig04]

Quote from Jayford:

The human genome is almost identical to that of chimps. Its off by 2% or something like that (an estimate as I'm too lazy to look up the exact figure). This is the fact that seriously riled TZ. He would never reply to this fact, but just go after me instead. If you believe in evolution and God, that's OK. Could have happened that way. But then if you use any logic, you have to believe that humans evolved from primates as the genome is so close. If you can't accept this, then you cannot accept evolution in general. It makes no sense.

Haha this is why this debate is so pointless. God doesn't have to "make sense". There is no logic. Maybe he doesn't exist. Maybe he created the world with the appearance of it being old. Maybe Dinosaurs we're never around. Maybe they were. The nature of "God" is such that it is beyond the realm of logic. There is nothing you can say with facts that will disprove a belief...because a belief doesn't care about facts. This is why I said "feeble". I believe someone mentioned that people lived side by side with dinosaurs. Maybe they did. Or maybe God simply created dinosaur bones. Faith will always lie in the areas logic cannot touch.

 

[stu]

Quote from jonbig04:

Feeble is the best word to describe it. Read this thread...and all the threads on religion for that matter...then read everything else you can get your hands on. You will get no where. Feeble.





Bro.

No,
Just 'cause you get nowhere does not mean others must get nowhere. If you cannot understand that much, that's what's feeble and perhaps why you get nowhere.


Mo.

 

[stu]

Quote from jonbig04:

Haha this is why this debate is so pointless. God doesn't have to "make sense". There is no logic. Maybe he doesn't exist. Maybe he created the world with the appearance of it being old. Maybe Dinosaurs we're never around. Maybe they were. The nature of "God" is such that it is beyond the realm of logic. There is nothing you can say with facts that will disprove a belief...because a belief doesn't care about facts. This is why I said "feeble". I believe someone mentioned that people lived side by side with dinosaurs. Maybe they did. Or maybe God simply created dinosaur bones. Faith will always lie in the areas logic cannot touch.

Maybe you need to study the meaning of the word logic before you even consider the words faith God or makebelieve.