Iran’s attack on Israel "imminent"

[SunTrader]

Destroy Palestine good, good, good.

Destroy Israel bad, bad, bad.

Guess good and evil depends on who is the destroyer and who is being destroyed.

 

[hilmy83]

What do you mean by not doubting that Hamas commits terrorist acts? Is that even up to debate?

Hamas is widely recognized as a terrorist organization. Their charter literally states that the goal is to eliminate Israel and that negotiated resolutions are not acceptable. This is jihad.

Wikipedia:

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Where did you get those numbers?

The number I can find for the terrorist attack on the 7th of October is 1139.

In my world, it's a big difference between a terrorist attack where civilians are deliberately targeted and civilian casualties in a war. Have there ever been a war without civilian casualties? Sadly, that's the outcome of any war and if you think I find any joy in this war and the loss of civilian life, you got it wrong.

Maybe Israel could have handled it differently. I don't claim to hold the answers. But from what I've seen, they've given civilians warnings to evacuate well in advance and they're also supplying humanitarian aid to the civilians. I'm sure that's unprecedented in a war. Do you see Russia supplying humanitarian aid or warning the civilians to evacuate in advance of an attack?

Some people say it's a genocide, but there are two million people living in Gaza and the war have been raging for 5 months now. If Israel truly wanted the civilian casualites could have been way, way higher in just a few days. One could argue that it's impressive that they're not by now.

We can dumb it down using a @NoahA type of analogy:

Let's say you're living in a well protected castle trying to live your life in peace, but on the outskirts of town there's a large group of people who's main goal is to eliminate you and your entire familiy. And they will keep doing so regardless of how small their chances are. They could have chosen to build a community for themselves and to live in peace with their neighbor, but all resources are channeled towards this goal at the expense of the rest of the people living there.

On a daily basis they're attacking you, but thanks to a good defense system most of the attacks are ineffective except a few minor casualties now and then. You are NOT launching attacks back at this point although you could easily do so, but admittedly you have a well defended border as there's been a history of these people sneaking in to commit attacks on your family and blowing up things.

However, one day the enemy manages to sneak in a back door and slaughters a great deal of your family in the most brutal way, take over 200 of your family as hostages (including children, woman and elderly people) and take them back to their place and go in hiding among the civilians which they have no moral qualms about using as human shields.

How would you respond? Should you just turn the other cheek and accept this or would you strike back and try to save your family even if it meant innocent people would be killed as a consequence?



On this we can agree.

However, a big difference is that even if Israel truly hates the Palestinian people which I'm sure is true, they do NOT have a goal of eliminating them.

That can not be said of Hamas.

Very moving post, truly. Worthy to be posted on the NY Times.

Every pro zionist I've seen online begins their narrative on Oct 7. It's amazing.

Tell me, when you look at the ES chart, do you just look at 1-2 candles back for market analysis?

Let me dumb it down using market analogy:


Higher lows and higher highs, must be an uptrend!

Vs what everybody else sees:

 

[Clubber Lang]

he has me on ignore

Lucky!
Me too

 

[SammyJ]

I have a much more intimate view than anyone on this board about what’s going on in the West Bank and Gaza . I’ve been the owner of much land there . I sold 95% of it the last 8 yrs.I don’t like discussing politics just like talking about Trump/Biden. You can’t change peoples minds about what person they like or don’t like . People decide that for themselves . The Arab/Israel conflict will go on for eternity . The reason why is entity’s on both sides will always cause an issue to scuttle it . Example was Oct 7th with Hamas. No difference if you removed all settlements from the West Bank . The radicals would start killing Palestinians or turn on the Israeli govt and scuttle it . After the events of the last 6 months the hatred for each other is more Engrained than ever

 

[NoahA]

But from what I've seen, they've given civilians warnings to evacuate well in advance and they're also supplying humanitarian aid to the civilians.

From what I have seen, Israel just bombs the corridors that were apparently opened up to let people flee to safety. So then you have to wonder if you try your luck and stay and get bombed, or you make a run for it and get bombed.

but on the outskirts of town there's a large group of people who's main goal is to eliminate you and your entire familiy.

As himly points out, lets figure out why these people want to kill you. The story doesn't start on the day of the invasion.

Listen, this goes way back and frankly, I hate that we in the west are getting pulled into it. The biggest culprit here is actually the US. They are supplying the bombs, and the politicians are profiting from this war. On top of this, I hate all religions, and 90% of this fight is because of people fighting on behalf on their religious faith. Its no different than some Elliot Wave proponent deeply committed to his craft, and yet, where are his yachts if the system is so profitable?

I say fuck the jews, fuck the arabs, fuck hamas, fuck palestine and fuck israel. If people want to use their life, their only life, for bullshit, let them. If all of these people grew up in a different country where they had hope and a future, nobody would be interested in wasting their life on a war or fighting for some religious cause from thousands of years ago. This holy place they are fighting over is a piece of dirt in the desert. I'm happy to work with anyone who wants to live a good life and respect each other as a human being because we are all the same at birth. But sadly, we get indoctrinated with so much bullshit from such a young age, and sadly, some people have known nothing but war and struggle, so its virtually impossible to put them on the right track.

When you see the Israelis steal your grandma's house in Palestine, of course you want to kill them. And when you see your daughter murdered at a rock concert, of course you want to kill Hamas and starve every last Palestinian. So I absolutely understand both sides, and it almost comes down to fighting about who has the better god. Man, how fucked up of a fight is this? I'd like to say both sides should just leave each other alone, but both sides continue to instigate. And yes, I do think the land grabs by Israel, after there was a treaty, come before all these attacks, but I'm sure we can go back even further than that.

 

[Laissez Faire]

As himly points out, lets figure out why these people want to kill you. The story doesn't start on the day of the invasion.

Yes. Let me know when you figured it out.

I've followed this conflict on and off for the last 20 years, so it's not like I learned about it yesterday.

So I absolutely understand both sides, and it almost comes down to fighting about who has the better god. Man, how fucked up of a fight is this? I'd like to say both sides should just leave each other alone, but both sides continue to instigate. And yes, I do think the land grabs by Israel, after there was a treaty, come before all these attacks, but I'm sure we can go back even further than that.

Good. That's progress.

I think I'll take my exit here as all this discussing back and forth is a waste of time and usually it doesn't lead anywhere for anyone. I said my piece and I stand by what I said.

 

[NoahA]

Yes. Let me know when you figured it out.

There is nothing for me to figure out. You left it out of your story. Maybe those people on the outskirts want to kill the people in the castle because the land that the castle was built on was stolen.

I'm happy to exit as well!

 

[schizo]

 

[TrailerParkTed]

There is nothing for me to figure out. You left it out of your story. Maybe those people on the outskirts want to kill the people in the castle because the land that the castle was built on was stolen.

I'm happy to exit as well!

Was there a movie about that?

 

[schizo]

It's these kinds of warmonger idiots that make this world so perilous.

Bolton: Israel's response to Iran's strikes should be 'far stronger'