@Laissez Faire I don't doubt Hamas commits terror acts, but you rarely see protest versus terrorist organisations.
I grew up in the south of Italy and I remember the protest against the mafia in the late 80's. Civilians were getting hit.
But it's rare to see protests against a rebel, terrorist, or organized crime group.
Israel is a sovereign state, part of the western alliance, supported by most Western states. Of course people protest!
What do you mean by not doubting that Hamas commits terrorist acts? Is that even up to debate?
Hamas is widely recognized as a terrorist organization. Their charter literally states that the goal is to eliminate Israel and that negotiated resolutions are not acceptable. This is jihad.
Wikipedia:
Israel response is historically disproportionate:
Hamas kills 2 or 3, Israel kills about 2000 (about 10yrs ago)
Now... Hamas kills 30 kids, Israel retaliate and kills 12000
Those are the numbers.
Where did you get those numbers?
The number I can find for the terrorist attack on the 7th of October is 1139.
In my world, it's a big difference between a terrorist attack where civilians are deliberately targeted and civilian casualties in a war. Have there ever been a war without civilian casualties? Sadly, that's the outcome of any war and if you think I find any joy in this war and the loss of civilian life, you got it wrong.
Maybe Israel could have handled it differently. I don't claim to hold the answers. But from what I've seen, they've given civilians warnings to evacuate well in advance and they're also supplying humanitarian aid to the civilians. I'm sure that's unprecedented in a war. Do you see Russia supplying humanitarian aid or warning the civilians to evacuate in advance of an attack?
Some people say it's a genocide, but there are two million people living in Gaza and the war have been raging for 5 months now. If Israel truly wanted the civilian casualites could have been way, way higher in just a few days. One could argue that it's impressive that they're not by now.
We can dumb it down using a @NoahA type of analogy:
Let's say you're living in a well protected castle trying to live your life in peace, but on the outskirts of town there's a large group of people who's main goal is to eliminate you and your entire familiy. And they will keep doing so regardless of how small their chances are. They could have chosen to build a community for themselves and to live in peace with their neighbor, but all resources are channeled towards this goal at the expense of the rest of the people living there.
On a daily basis they're attacking you, but thanks to a good defense system most of the attacks are ineffective except a few minor casualties now and then. You are NOT launching attacks back at this point although you could easily do so, but admittedly you have a well defended border as there's been a history of these people sneaking in to commit attacks on your family and blowing up things.
However, one day the enemy manages to sneak in a back door and slaughters a great deal of your family in the most brutal way, take over 200 of your family as hostages (including children, woman and elderly people) and take them back to their place and go in hiding among the civilians which they have no moral qualms about using as human shields.
How would you respond? Should you just turn the other cheek and accept this or would you strike back and try to save your family even if it meant innocent people would be killed as a consequence?
Sad thing is, it will never end.
They both want the other out, wiped. Neither of them are willing to compromise or split the land.
On this we can agree.
However, a big difference is that even if Israel truly hates the Palestinian people which I'm sure is true, they do NOT have a goal of eliminating them.
That can not be said of Hamas.
