sure rosie o'donnell
Iranian Militay is no joke!
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sure rosie o'donnell
a_person,
you are just thumping that old good-evil conflict aren't you?
The central piece in the abrahamic religions is that shitty old conflict that they reap up over and over again, labeling "us - the good ones" and "the others - the evil ones". The messianic figure that would save the jewish people and there were scores of them back in the time when the jewish tribes were fighting and later under roman control - it's all part of this conflict-centric religion that saturated the region and later swelled into europe.
I don't see it that way at all. You say you don't hate anyone but you sure talk like you are taking sides in the conflict down there. I do think it looks like religious hatred and intolerance against each other - call me crazy if you want ... but it seems they have this "knack" for getting themselves into a mess because of religion.
I would actually welcome a stronger Iran with nuclear abilities. Then maybe it would shut up much of the bickering happening down there, and Israel would stop having a free-card to do whatever they see like doing to their neighbours. And if it all goes to hell ... well, you know, be sure to sport light clothes for the heat awaiting you ...
After it's all over I'm pretty sure we won't have any stupid religion to bicker over anymore ... And have you any clue what you guys are costing us - the rest of the world - in terms of economic and human progress because of your petty infighting? Learn to live together already; you are all like mean little kids not ever getting along - kicking and screaming to make the rest of us miserable. You should all be set aside for a while to learn your little lesson, and then you can come back and live with the rest of the world.
you are just thumping that old good-evil conflict aren't you?
The central piece in the abrahamic religions is that shitty old conflict that they reap up over and over again, labeling "us - the good ones" and "the others - the evil ones". The messianic figure that would save the jewish people and there were scores of them back in the time when the jewish tribes were fighting and later under roman control - it's all part of this conflict-centric religion that saturated the region and later swelled into europe.
I don't see it that way at all. You say you don't hate anyone but you sure talk like you are taking sides in the conflict down there. I do think it looks like religious hatred and intolerance against each other - call me crazy if you want ... but it seems they have this "knack" for getting themselves into a mess because of religion.
I would actually welcome a stronger Iran with nuclear abilities. Then maybe it would shut up much of the bickering happening down there, and Israel would stop having a free-card to do whatever they see like doing to their neighbours. And if it all goes to hell ... well, you know, be sure to sport light clothes for the heat awaiting you ...
After it's all over I'm pretty sure we won't have any stupid religion to bicker over anymore ... And have you any clue what you guys are costing us - the rest of the world - in terms of economic and human progress because of your petty infighting? Learn to live together already; you are all like mean little kids not ever getting along - kicking and screaming to make the rest of us miserable. You should all be set aside for a while to learn your little lesson, and then you can come back and live with the rest of the world.
You say you don't hate anyone
I said the jews don't hate anyone and just want to be left alone
I would actually welcome a stronger Iran with nuclear abilities.
I bet you would, as I said before your understanding of geopolitics is non-existent. Iran is not a good guy even if it hates Bush and the JOOZ as passionately as you do. You have no idea where that nuke will turn up. It may well be New York or Tel-Aviv but it might as well be Moscow, Delhi, London or Riyadh.
Moreover even if that does not happen Iran with its ambitions and religious fervor and under the umbrella of nuclear deterrence will create, finance, train and instigate groups like Hamas and Hezbollah hundreds of times more actively and arrogantly than it does today. And they will not be directed against Israel only (which I am sure would be just fine with you), these groups will be attacking Kuwait, Saudi, Iraq, Turkey, european and western interests and anyone else who gets in their way. If they did not hesitate to kidnap 15 British <del>chickens</del> sailors in neutral waters, imagine what they'll do when they have nukes. If you think Israel has a free hand wait till Iran gets nuclear capabilities.
a_person,
all these groups you are listing are actually fighting Israel/IDF and other types of oppression in the region... I don't see them posing a threat to Europe and especially not a less and less religious Europe ...
And I think that leaving Israel completely alone - like the rest of the region would do them all a lot of good in the long run. It sure will come out more peaceful than now. I think you mistake me for someone who actually gives a shit about anyone down there anymore. You have all showed how you need to figure things out for yourselves. Then you can come back to the UN and other more civilized forums.
all these groups you are listing are actually fighting Israel/IDF and other types of oppression in the region... I don't see them posing a threat to Europe and especially not a less and less religious Europe ...
And I think that leaving Israel completely alone - like the rest of the region would do them all a lot of good in the long run. It sure will come out more peaceful than now. I think you mistake me for someone who actually gives a shit about anyone down there anymore. You have all showed how you need to figure things out for yourselves. Then you can come back to the UN and other more civilized forums.
Look,
the reality of things is that Europe, Russia, China and Japan are growing pretty indifferent to either party in the middle-east. Southern Asia for sure do not favour Israel, and the same can be said for Latin America - especially Brazil with a large arab immigration (Lebanese in particular). Australia and New Zealand might slightly favour Israel - but are not exactly passionate about it.
The mechanics of the situation in the middle east have for some time been that the US plays Israel as an outpost and threat towards the energy producers in the region. I'm not saying that's how Israel was created - I'm just saying that's how the dynamics are nowadays.
After WWII, Europe was pretty much in ruins and with the Marshall-plan the Soviets were held abay while favouring trade with the US. The UK finished paying off their war-debts in dezember 2006, and now the dynamics in the world have changed with much stronger growth elsewhere - which naturally shifts the balance of power as well.
At some point the US can't afford to expend more and more to keep the role of Israel as an outpost and proxy of their power - if things continue in the same direction as now - that being the shift of power economically and militarily in the world. The way Israel have been acting, they have very few "friends" in the world, as does the US - partly by proxy of using Israel to strong-arm the middle east. I'm not saying that it's all about Israel, but the whole dynamics of the situation is not favourable to Israel in any form or shape - in the long run.
Israel and the arab states better find a way to coexist - or they will crash together at some point. It's inevitable.
Religion and faith are based on detachment from reason - embracing blindly what can not be reasoned. It just goes to show the absurdity of it all.
the reality of things is that Europe, Russia, China and Japan are growing pretty indifferent to either party in the middle-east. Southern Asia for sure do not favour Israel, and the same can be said for Latin America - especially Brazil with a large arab immigration (Lebanese in particular). Australia and New Zealand might slightly favour Israel - but are not exactly passionate about it.
The mechanics of the situation in the middle east have for some time been that the US plays Israel as an outpost and threat towards the energy producers in the region. I'm not saying that's how Israel was created - I'm just saying that's how the dynamics are nowadays.
After WWII, Europe was pretty much in ruins and with the Marshall-plan the Soviets were held abay while favouring trade with the US. The UK finished paying off their war-debts in dezember 2006, and now the dynamics in the world have changed with much stronger growth elsewhere - which naturally shifts the balance of power as well.
At some point the US can't afford to expend more and more to keep the role of Israel as an outpost and proxy of their power - if things continue in the same direction as now - that being the shift of power economically and militarily in the world. The way Israel have been acting, they have very few "friends" in the world, as does the US - partly by proxy of using Israel to strong-arm the middle east. I'm not saying that it's all about Israel, but the whole dynamics of the situation is not favourable to Israel in any form or shape - in the long run.
Israel and the arab states better find a way to coexist - or they will crash together at some point. It's inevitable.
Religion and faith are based on detachment from reason - embracing blindly what can not be reasoned. It just goes to show the absurdity of it all.
all these groups you are listing are actually fighting Israel/IDF and other types of oppression in the region...
Oh, they are freedom fighters. What was I thinking? Especially Hezbollah that's breaking all UN resolutions calling for its disarmament and fighting for power against the rest of the Lebanese government while IDF is NOT in Lebanon. And Hamas is certainly fighting to liberate Gaza...and Tel-Aviv and Haifa. And both of them are religious fundamentalist parties whose objective is to replace the "zionist oppression" with the freedom of Sharia. More importantly there are just a couple of groups that Iran supports now exactly because they don't have the nuclear shield yet, these group will mushroom and will start attacking everyone in the region and all over the world the moment Iran tests its first nuclear device.
I don't see them posing a threat to Europe
I think Salman Rushdie and 15 British sailors may not see eye to eye with you on this one. Then again Iran's primary interests are indeed in the Middle East so it will not threaten Europe...they will bully everyone else in the Middle East but if Europe keeps its mouth shut and obeys all orders and demands from Tehran it'll have nothing to worry about.
I think you mistake me for someone who actually gives a shit about anyone down there anymore.
Right. You don't care. That must be why you've made about hundred posts lately telling that you don't care... and that Israel should be stopped but Iran should not...That's what people who don't give a shit normally do, they participate in every single discussion claiming not to care and take sides.
a_person,
you always make your posts about the person instead of the issue - and you are such a poor debater that it irks me. So here you have a little about yourself.
Instead of trying to talk about dynamics and politics in the region, you immediately turn to personal attacks to try and deflect the discussion about the issues in any meaningful way - but rather focus on the persons debating. You skip the issues and go right for the person writing, and that makes your contributions intellectually useless.
You are truly a louse on the debate, and probably a deeply religious one too.
you always make your posts about the person instead of the issue - and you are such a poor debater that it irks me. So here you have a little about yourself.
Instead of trying to talk about dynamics and politics in the region, you immediately turn to personal attacks to try and deflect the discussion about the issues in any meaningful way - but rather focus on the persons debating. You skip the issues and go right for the person writing, and that makes your contributions intellectually useless.
You are truly a louse on the debate, and probably a deeply religious one too.
Actually all my posts are about issues although I do reserve the right to occasionally make fun of my opponents' views. Two paragraphs of my previous posts were entirely about the issue, only the last one was about you. I could not help but ridicule someone who thinks that making hundreds of posts in hundreds of relevant threads shows that the person actually does not care.
a_person,
so why don't you try and make your posts entirely about the issues instead - since that makes it much easier to debate you instead of you making all kinds of personal attacks in between. You just add to noise that we are all oblivious to by keeping up personal attacks ...
If someone says something or has an opinion about Israel doesn't mean that they hate jews. You always try to sneak in little labels like "final solution" etc ... and that just makes you seem like you have really weak argumentation skills.
so why don't you try and make your posts entirely about the issues instead - since that makes it much easier to debate you instead of you making all kinds of personal attacks in between. You just add to noise that we are all oblivious to by keeping up personal attacks ...
If someone says something or has an opinion about Israel doesn't mean that they hate jews. You always try to sneak in little labels like "final solution" etc ... and that just makes you seem like you have really weak argumentation skills.
Sure. Someone advocating the annihilation of Israel does not hate the jews. Someone stating that shia, sunni and jews hate each other but it's the jews who need to be annihilated in order to achieve peace in the region does not hate the jews. Oh and of course someone believing that nuclear Iran will make the world a better place cannot be called delusional either, right?