I see we have a new resident twerp
Next, will you tell us the benefits fo the peaceful religion known as Islam?
Iranian Militay is no joke!
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I see we have a new resident twerp
Next, will you tell us the benefits fo the peaceful religion known as Islam?
Europeans look silly to who, the US? Iraq turned out well, didn't it?
Europeans look silly to anyone who took their pathetic attempts to negotiate with Iran seriously, Europeans look silly to anyone who thought that a carrot can work without a stick, Europeans look silly to anyone who thought that they knew what they were doing, Europeans look silly to anyone who thinks Europe is relevant.
Mostly Europeans look silly to themselves cause they seriously believed that they mattered, that they knew what they were doing and that utopian ideas conceived inside their self-righteous, pacifistic bubble actually work in the real world.
You are absolutely right, Iraq did not turn out well. Thank you for reminding us about our mistakes but perhaps it's time for you to face yours and realize that the Europeans have egg all over their face, that their "diplomatic way" and their negotiations with Iran are a complete and utter diplomatic disaster and staggering continental disgrace in every way possible.
a_person,
Syria and Iran are actually quite supporting of each other. Iran is now influencing politics in Iraq, as is Syria.
Pakistan and Afghanistan are already collaborating, and will unmistakingly have closer ties when the NATO forces leaves there.
The tension between Pakistan and the US, and the much higher value of indian relations to the US will make Pakistan much more sympathetic to Afghanistan and a stronger muslim region. Iran will no doubt push a strong influence on Pakistan in the near future - politically, by the fact of how Syria-Iraq-Iran will be evolving.
It will make sense for these to join efforts and political clout. That's partly why I think there is a high probability of this happening. The US and Israel are of course the catalysts in this development, by their crucially failed policies.
a_person,
try to refrain from personal attacks, you were doing quite ok there for a brief moment and had one post that was almost rid of personal attacks and being able to talk about the issues we are discussing. Wash your mouth, and try to let your hateful words lie by the side. Try being objective and keep your focus - not your emotional rage.
Syria and Iran are actually quite supporting of each other. Iran is now influencing politics in Iraq, as is Syria.
Pakistan and Afghanistan are already collaborating, and will unmistakingly have closer ties when the NATO forces leaves there.
The tension between Pakistan and the US, and the much higher value of indian relations to the US will make Pakistan much more sympathetic to Afghanistan and a stronger muslim region. Iran will no doubt push a strong influence on Pakistan in the near future - politically, by the fact of how Syria-Iraq-Iran will be evolving.
It will make sense for these to join efforts and political clout. That's partly why I think there is a high probability of this happening. The US and Israel are of course the catalysts in this development, by their crucially failed policies.
a_person,
try to refrain from personal attacks, you were doing quite ok there for a brief moment and had one post that was almost rid of personal attacks and being able to talk about the issues we are discussing. Wash your mouth, and try to let your hateful words lie by the side. Try being objective and keep your focus - not your emotional rage.
try to refrain from personal attacks, being able to talk about the issues we are discussing.
We are not discussing issues, we are discussing your personal delusions, your dreams, your speculations based on pure wishful thinking and nothing else whatsoever. Unfortunately there is no nice way to put it but "Iran is cooperating with Syria, Pakistan is sympathetic to Afghanistan so we are watching a new all-powerful anti-american and anti-Israel front in the making" is nothing other than ridiculous and simplistic nonsense of someone who has no clue. Sorry if I hurt your feelings but you better learn the truth on an anonymous message board than if someone laughs in your face in person when you start talking about "Syria-Afghanistan" united anti-Israel front to your friends and co-workers.
An Iranian official has warned that a peace agreement between Israel and Syria would lead to radical changes in relations between Teheran and Damascus, DPA reported Monday.
Hussein Shariatmadari, an advisor to Iran's spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, reportedly told London-based newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat that this was his personal view, "but I think that the signing of such an agreement would be also against the opinion of Iran, the Iranian government and the Iranian people."
Iran, he said, was unhappy with talks between Israel and Islamic countries. "We always say there is no country called Israel in the region. This country is called Palestine. So, it is normal that we reject any negotiations between an Islamic state, like Syria or Turkey, and an illegitimate, non-existent state," Shariatmadari said.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215330965293&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
Come again, who does not want peace in the region?
Hussein Shariatmadari, an advisor to Iran's spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, reportedly told London-based newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat that this was his personal view, "but I think that the signing of such an agreement would be also against the opinion of Iran, the Iranian government and the Iranian people."
Iran, he said, was unhappy with talks between Israel and Islamic countries. "We always say there is no country called Israel in the region. This country is called Palestine. So, it is normal that we reject any negotiations between an Islamic state, like Syria or Turkey, and an illegitimate, non-existent state," Shariatmadari said.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215330965293&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
Come again, who does not want peace in the region?
Israel and America do not want peace... War is business (Halliburton, Carlyle Investment Group, Oil). Don't be so blind yourself. One of the biggest mistakes of the last century is the creation of Israel, a religious homeland for the Jews. I understand the sympathy toward the Jews after WII, but to creation a nation to them is ridiculous. How come no nation was created for all the Gypsies that also died in the concentration camps? Religion should be totally out of politics. To establish a country based on religion and then act like its a democracy is absurd. The Jewish settlers stole the land of the Muslims and they marginalized them politically. Even when Muslims out-numbered the Jews way back in the 1950s, the Jews had 80% of the power. How democratic is that?
There were democratic elections in Israel/Palestine and because a Muslim group won, America doesn't want to admit they are legitimate and labels them as a terrorist organization. America only supports those who are pro-Western and doesn't recognize parties that truly won elections.
If America wanted peace, it needs to let Israel handle their own problems. Israels military is far superior to any neighbor and it has over f-ing 300 nukes! It could deal with their own issues. With a player like the US, diplomacy is sacrificed because the US will want its own interests in any deal. Ask any Arab why 9/11 happened and they will say that its because of Israel. People don't want to admit that in the US, however, because its the politically incorrect answer. Those who have those opinions are labeled as Anti-Semitic. But the reality is that 9/11 happened because of America's continuing relationship with Israel. And Israel is not just an ally... its like a permenent military base in the Middle East. The US gives Israel the most aid out of any country of the world. And they don't give them food... they give them weapons.
a_person,
I don't think it's delusional at all. As a matter of fact president Assad of Syria, today warned anyone attacking Iran that it would lead to a hefty price to be paid over possibly decades.
Of course, I also think it's important to use more than a single news source. Otherwise one quickly fall prey to propaganda and types of brain washing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7505426.stm
As you can see - Israel and the US unites shia and sunni muslims.
I do think that Iraq with it's strongly mixed population and newfound government will get closer to Iran in the not so distant future. I also think the smart thing for Syria is to join in this - and Syria being predominantly sunni muslim, with Iraq a mix and Iran shia muslim ... it would seem they would make up a possible future cluster with common interests in the region.
I also see the mistrust between the US and Pakistan with the uprising in Pakistan against the dictatorship supported by the US as something that will not be long-lived. After NATO forces leave Afghanistan, I see it as only natural that the countries in the region will find it necessary and beneficial to cooperate economically and militarily to be able to progress and resist future attacks.
Call me stupid and insane, but I do think they are looking for progress given the chance in the future. Of course that does not paint a pretty picture for US influence using Israel in the region ... but the US star has already fallen considerably.
Europe is content seeing the US dethroned slightly, but will of course always support the US economically and military - and vice-versa. Everyone wants to see the US change, even the US population sees the need for change. I think it's slightly healthy in the long run to be able to adapt to changing conditions worldwide. If everyone could keep it peaceful, and resolve some of the middle east imbalances, then further progress is a sure thing.
Russia is fast running up with more and more food and energy production, as well as lifting a lot of their population from poverty. This means a new and close trading partner for Europe. Russia is also a great catalyst for the Middle East, and will probably continue to develop as their most important trading partner in the future. This of course is further encouraged by military stability in the region.
I think that a strong Iran, with the US out of Iraq, will give birth to this - and that the natural way for them to organize themselves and progress is what I've outlined. It will mean less influence by the US in the region, especially by using Israel who will be wing-clipped, but I do think this is the right way to get some progress there.
A consensus could probably be reached by all of us that if the region would prosper further, without the threat of attacks from Israel, then the growth in infrastructure would make it less likely that any aggression would be in their interest. Focusing on prosperity and education in stead of the age old conflict with Israel is the best way out of the crisis in the region.
I do think that Israel needs to get wing-clipped somewhat, however. If that means that they give up all their occupied land and start peaceful negotiations with their neighbours - then that would of course be great. But somehow I doubt they see it that way. Also, there is of course a lot of resentment that is going to continue to be brewing. But unless they learn to live with each other, there is no other way than conflict - which they should contain to the region.
I don't think it's delusional at all. As a matter of fact president Assad of Syria, today warned anyone attacking Iran that it would lead to a hefty price to be paid over possibly decades.
Of course, I also think it's important to use more than a single news source. Otherwise one quickly fall prey to propaganda and types of brain washing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7505426.stm
As you can see - Israel and the US unites shia and sunni muslims.
I do think that Iraq with it's strongly mixed population and newfound government will get closer to Iran in the not so distant future. I also think the smart thing for Syria is to join in this - and Syria being predominantly sunni muslim, with Iraq a mix and Iran shia muslim ... it would seem they would make up a possible future cluster with common interests in the region.
I also see the mistrust between the US and Pakistan with the uprising in Pakistan against the dictatorship supported by the US as something that will not be long-lived. After NATO forces leave Afghanistan, I see it as only natural that the countries in the region will find it necessary and beneficial to cooperate economically and militarily to be able to progress and resist future attacks.
Call me stupid and insane, but I do think they are looking for progress given the chance in the future. Of course that does not paint a pretty picture for US influence using Israel in the region ... but the US star has already fallen considerably.
Europe is content seeing the US dethroned slightly, but will of course always support the US economically and military - and vice-versa. Everyone wants to see the US change, even the US population sees the need for change. I think it's slightly healthy in the long run to be able to adapt to changing conditions worldwide. If everyone could keep it peaceful, and resolve some of the middle east imbalances, then further progress is a sure thing.
Russia is fast running up with more and more food and energy production, as well as lifting a lot of their population from poverty. This means a new and close trading partner for Europe. Russia is also a great catalyst for the Middle East, and will probably continue to develop as their most important trading partner in the future. This of course is further encouraged by military stability in the region.
I think that a strong Iran, with the US out of Iraq, will give birth to this - and that the natural way for them to organize themselves and progress is what I've outlined. It will mean less influence by the US in the region, especially by using Israel who will be wing-clipped, but I do think this is the right way to get some progress there.
A consensus could probably be reached by all of us that if the region would prosper further, without the threat of attacks from Israel, then the growth in infrastructure would make it less likely that any aggression would be in their interest. Focusing on prosperity and education in stead of the age old conflict with Israel is the best way out of the crisis in the region.
I do think that Israel needs to get wing-clipped somewhat, however. If that means that they give up all their occupied land and start peaceful negotiations with their neighbours - then that would of course be great. But somehow I doubt they see it that way. Also, there is of course a lot of resentment that is going to continue to be brewing. But unless they learn to live with each other, there is no other way than conflict - which they should contain to the region.
Israel and America do not want peace...
Is that what you learned from the article I posted above quoting an advisor to Iran's spiritual leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. No offense really (Israel-haters seem to be particularly thin-skinned today) but do you have reading comprehension problems? Israel is negotiating peace with Syria, Turkey's mediating, Iran is against any negotiations with Israel and the conclusion you arrive at is that Israel and America don't want peace? Duh!
One of the biggest mistakes of the last century is the creation of Israel, a religious homeland for the Jews.
Did you notice that the advisor referred to Syria and Turkey as "Islamic states". Do you think they should not exist either being religious and stuff or it's Israel only? Do you know that Israel does not have official religion but 23 arab and about 50 non-arab muslim states do. So do Britain and Vatican btw.
a_person,
actually the US and Israel are denying any negotiations before Iran stop all nuclear (enriching) activity. That goes to show how absurd the situation is. It's like GWB saying the US will import agricultural products from Africa when african nations remove all import restrictions on US goods ... that man is just plain certifiable for the straight-jacket.
lol.
actually the US and Israel are denying any negotiations before Iran stop all nuclear (enriching) activity. That goes to show how absurd the situation is. It's like GWB saying the US will import agricultural products from Africa when african nations remove all import restrictions on US goods ... that man is just plain certifiable for the straight-jacket.
lol.
actually the US and Israel are denying any negotiations before Iran stop all nuclear (enriching) activity.
The article and my posts were about peace negotiations with Syria, not Iran.
That goes to show how absurd the situation is. It's like GWB saying the US will import agricultural products from Africa when african nations remove all import restrictions on US goods
Or it's like saying that Israel should withdraw from all occupied land and start peaceful negotiations with their neighbors (as if there will be anything left to negotiate about after Israel withdraws from all occupied territories). Nevertheless someone said that just a couple of posts ago.