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there is a preliminary historical fact that must be established now. There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine"
I'm glad you brought this up. It has never been about having an ethnically clean national state for the Palestinians, it's all about the people who where living there. The families, the individuals, the farmers had been living in the land for as far back as they can tell (since the dawn of civilization science will tell you), and they were suddenly removed. Nobody is claiming the restoration of an ancient Palestinian state, thats just a myth. Some Palestinian intellectuals are calling for the restoration of the Canaanite city states (*) which were even there before the Jews arrived (read your bible) because evidence shows these are the Palestinians earliest descendants. That's kind of ironic, history tells us the same people (the Jews) did the very same thing to the same people (Canaanites/Palestinians) twice by stealing their land, with a period of 3000 years between the two times.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanites_(movement)
In my opinion though ALL ancient history is 100% irrelevant; what matters is the current situation and everything that lead up to it fom the creation of Zionism.
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and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language.
Actually, this is wrong. That is, this distinctive culture and language has not always been called Palestinian and it is not limited to the people we call Palestinians; it's to a large extent shared with the rest of the Southern Levant (Lebanon, Jordan and parts of Syria). These people, the people of the Southern Levant speaks a different kind of Arabic (1) than the Arabic spoken in other countries; It is a form that is descended from the Canaanite or Arameic and far closer related to Hebrew (which also is a Canaanite language) than say Iraqi Arabic. The culture (2) of Palestinian fellahin is also distinct; they have their own folklore, their own style of clothing, their own music, poetry. Even a distinctive ancient calender (3) is being used only by some.
(1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Arabic
(2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_culture
(3)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecontad_calendar
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Even the so-called leader of the "Palestinian" people, Yasser Arafat, is EGYPTIAN!
Who cares, my King is part British. I don't care about his blood, I care about his loyalty - about his actions.
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In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people...a people with no history and no authenticity... whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!
It is actually the other way around, the stuff you're preaching is manufactured in order to make the Zionists look better. There's no denial to it, even David Ben Gurion and Yitzhak Ben Zvi, argued that the distinctive culture of the Palestinians was a historical testimony to Israeli practices in ancient times (*). Why do you think there's a falafel-stand on every corner in Israel? You'd be surprised how much Palestinian culture Israelis have adopted because they believe it stems from the ancient Israelites.
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http://www.palestine-studies.org/final/en/journals/content.php?aid=6109&jid=4&iid=20&vid=7&vol=192
To try and delete a peoples heritage for the sake of looking better is quite despicable. It's almost as bad as neonazis denying the Holocaust because it makes their Hitler look bad. You should be better than that.
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It must be noted that in 636 C.E., when the Arabs marauders came to the land and uprooted even more of its Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there... and certainly not a "Palestinian" nation. They were simply "Arabs" who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called "Palestine!"
This is all wrong. First of all, the Arabs didn't throw out any more Jews, in fact they turned it around and allowed more freedoms for Jews (in spite of the dhimmi-status).
Second, the Arabs did not expel nor exterminate the indigenous inhabitants which by the way mostly where Christians descendants of whoever else had been in the land before them, including the Canaanites. The Arabs mainly took control over the land and it took more than a hundred years for half the population to convert to Islam. This is what Arabs did all over the Islamic world; they didn't replace the indigenous populations, they merely, for lack of a better term, "arabized" them. This is confirmed beyond any doubt by the cultural and linguistic diversity within the Arab world, as well as genetic studies:
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/citation/2000/1030/1
In short, the genetic makeup as well as the culture of the Palestinian people is heavily influenced by all the people who have dominated the land throughout the ages. But the people has remained:
"Throughout history a great diversity of peoples has moved into the region and made Palestine their homeland: Jebusites, Canaanites, Philistines from Crete, Anatolian and Lydian Greeks, Hebrews, Amorites, Edomites, Nabateans, Arameans, Romans, Arabs, and European crusaders, to name a few. Each of them appropriated different regions that overlapped in time and competed for sovereignty and land. Others, such as Ancient Egyptians, Hittites, Persians, Babylonians, and Mongols, were historical 'events' whose successive occupations were as ravaging as the effects of major earthquakes ... Like shooting stars, the various cultures shine for a brief moment before they fade out of official historical and cultural records of Palestine. The people, however, survive. In their customs and manners, fossils of these ancient civilizations survived until modernityâalbeit modernity camouflaged under the veneer of Islam and Arabic culture."
http://www.thisweekinpalestine.com/details.php?id=2208&ed=144&edid=144These
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The Jewish People have one of the most legitimate Birth Certificates of any nations in the world.
I do not agree with this, no more than I agree with Palestinians who try to claim the land because of Canaanite heritage. Ancient history is ancient history; the only thing that matters is the people who are alive today.
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Every time there is an archaeological dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that the Jewish People have had a presence there for well over 3,000 years. The national coins, the pottery, the cities, the ancient Hebrew texts... all support this claim.
Actually these archaeological digs are revealing more about the Palestinians since there's a 2000 year period with only a small group of Jews continually living there side by side with Christians and Muslims. And further, these digs are revealing that Israelites might well be Canaanites who emerged in the area amongst the people living in the Highlands around 700 B.C. rather than invaders who came from Egypt in 1000 B.C. Israel Finkelstein, an Israeli archaeologist and academic currently the Jacob M. Alkow Professor of the Archaeology of Israel in the Bronze Age and Iron Ages at Tel Aviv University, have written a book about this called The Bible Unearthed. You should read it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Finkelstein
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Yes, other peoples have passed through, but there is no mistaking the fact that Jews have always had a continual presence in that land for over 3,000 years.
Nobody is denying that; every single field of science confirms this as much as it confirms the Palestinian presence. However, this does not change the fact that Modern Israel was built by European immigrants who had no ties to the land other than some holy scriptures. This does not qualify to throw the indigenous people out.
