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You might want to tell that to Israeli Arabs cause they don't know they live in an Apartheid state:
Poll: 77% of Israeli Arabs would rather live in Israel than in any other country in the world...poll conducted by Harvard University's Kennedy School
Jimmy Carter, 12/11/2006: "I recognize that Israel is a wonderful democracy with equal treatment of all citizens whether Arab or Jew."
Let me cite your source for you:
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The release of the poll coincided with celebrations, accompanied by widespread Israeli Arab boycotts, of the 60th anniversary of the state's declaration of independence.
Israeli Arab MKs cited widespread discrimination as the cause of the boycotts."
Ask the Palestinians in the refugee camps the same question, and the same number will tell you they want to stay. That doesn't mean everything is nice, it simply means people likes their land. As far as Jimmy Carter is concerned, the quote is about the laws of Israel; I'm talking about the practice. While the laws on paper are not discriminatory they certainly are in practice. As documented; Jewish houses does not get demolished, Arab houses does.
Here's an article about this issue from the respected Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem. Read it:
http://www.btselem.org/English/Jerusalem/Discriminating_Policy.asp
Most of this discrimination is done by having Israeli citizenship benefits tied up with the military service which Arabs obviously cannot do (unless they want to crush their own people). Again, seems completely non-discriminatory on paper, but it is in practice. It is getting better with time though:
Until the second term of Yitzchak Rabin as Prime Minister, social benefits given to families in which at least one member (including a grandfather, uncle or cousin) had served at some time in the armed forces were significantly higher than to "non-military" families, which was considered a means of blatant discrimination between Jews and Arabs. Rabin had led the abolition of the measure, in the teeth of strong opposition from the Right. At present, the only official advantage from military service is the attaining of security clearance and serving in some types of government positions (in most cases, security-related), as well as some indirect benefits. In practice, however, a large number of Israeli employers placing "wanted" ads include the requirement "after military service" even when the job is in no way security-related, which is considered as a euphemism for "no Arab/Haredim need apply". The test of former military service is also frequently applied in admittance to various newly-founded communities, effectively barring Arabs from living there. Also, the Israeli national airline El Al hires only pilots who had served in the Air Force, which in practice excludes Arabs from the job.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces
Israeli right-wingers have even been trying to link the right to vote with military service for a long time. Luckily the left has not allowed it.
I've given you tons of documentation and information in part from unbiased sources and in part from Israeli sources. And you respond with an article that supports my claim and a single quote about something else? Is that really all you've got? Nice job, tool.
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I am actually beginning to like your style. I don't know whether you really are a Scandinavian or an arab/muslim living in Europe or an arab/muslim masquerading as a European... I don't know that but you lie like a real arab:
That's actually kind of racist. Though I must say, I'd rather be an Arab than have my head as far up my ass as you.
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Destructive: Arafat was offered 73% of West Bank
Fact: Israeli redeployment from 95% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip, other Israeli land exchanged for West Bank settlements remaining under Israeli control, Palestinian control over East Jerusalem, including most of the Old City, "Religious Sovereignty" over the Temple Mount, replacing Israeli sovereignty in effect since 1967. Even the French acknowledged it was the best and most generous deal.
Yeah, right, facts. You don't recognize facts when their shoved down your throat. Here's the facts from a source I gave you earlier:
The initial area of the Palestinian state would comprise about 73% of the land area of the West Bank and all of Gaza. The West Bank would be divided by the road from Jerusalem to the Dead Sea and a corridor on either side of it. This would form two relatively large Palestinian areas and one small enclave surrounding Jericho. The three areas would be joined by a free passage without checkpoints, but the safe passage could be closed by Israel in case of emergency. According to Palestinian sources, there would be another division between the area north of the Ariel and Shilo settlements along the trans-Shomron highway built by Israel. In later stages (10-25 years) Israel would cede additional areas, particularly in the mountains overlooking the Jordan valley, to bring the total area to slightly under 90% of the area of the West Bank"
http://www.mideastweb.org/campdavid2.htm
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Destructive: you[americans] are the ones doing 99% of the killing!
99% of the killing are arabs killing arabs. We kill 99% of militants and terrorists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terrorism_casualties
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_conflict_in_Iraq_since_2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–present)
I've referred you to these numbers three times earlier. Look them up.
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Destructive: There is no free media in the US, there is free media in Europe
Fact: Destructive gets his news from CNN.
I'm sorry, my remarks about your small testicles must have been hilarious to you, I didn't know that you're a female.
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Destructive: "Israel was somewhat a client state of the US (Actually I would rather argue it was and is the other way around though)"
Fact: Israel cannot be a client state of the US and its master simultaneously.
Explained and accounted for in the following post:
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1985664#post1985664
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Destructive: Negotiations with Iran is the way to go
Fact: 5 years of European negotiations and 5 years of UN/IAEA negotiations and absolutely nothing to show for it.
In all honesty it's not a lie but rather demonstrates his ignorance
Good timing on this one. Looks like America is with me! I WIN!
