Iran refuses to hand over black box of plane that crashed.

El OchoCinco said:
It was a Boeing airplane or you don't like to read...you know ...Boeing...the same manufacturer who makes most of the planes we all fly on.

Did you think the Being 737-MAX was none of our business because mostly brown people died? or did the investigation ground an entire fleet of planes that was unsafe....

We have a huge interest to know the results or that at least they are going to be analyzed and made public.

Seriously...sometimes the shit you say..
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Seriously, I haven't followed the story been occupied with personal matters so probably shouldn’t have chimed in. If it was Iran’s airplane they can do what ever they want. If it was Ukraines or someone else's then yes, they should allow the country or owners access. I’m not sure Iran cares if they comply with any international blackbox treaty. I’d imagine if they thought they could punish an American company, Boeing, they’d shout it from Mecca.

I understand there’s liability issues. But until some link implicating Boeing is discovered it’s not our business until we’re asked.
 
Iran can choose not to give it to Boeing as Boeing is not entitled to it, they simply have a vested interest. SO not giving it to Boeing is not going to violate any treaty.

No one "owns" the Black Box per se, it is a possession issue and Iran has the right to possess it. Even that is not an issue.

However Iran has an obligation to analyze the date and release the cockpit recordings. The thing is most countries do not know how to properly analyze this and US is an expert but so are many countries. If Iran does it well and releases the data we all benefit. If Iran wants to be a dick and bury the info and not release it they will pay dearly internationally. So I doubt that will happen.
 
Hellfire would reign down on them from all over so I am pretty sure Iran is not going to stonewall or hide anything.[/QUOTE]

I can accept that until I see otherwise and it would not surprise me to see otherwise, I mean at least in regard to the stonewalling. But i don't need to speculate. A couple days will tell. They have the boxes, there are two I believe. And they don't have the capability to analyze them as far as I know or we will find out otherwise. And they have flat out said that they wlll not give them to Boeing or to the American aviation regulators. So they have no reason to hold on to them if they cannot analyze them and they have stated who is not getting them.

So who is getting them then? We should know right off, or else its stonewalling time. I can cut them some slack but then again my bullshitomer can go from yellow to red at any time.
 
Watched the video several times.

It reminds me of the Concorde crash outside of Paris. That one was caused by a small piece of metallic debris laying on the runway from another aircraft cutting a tire on takeoff and the debris from that tire disintegrating then puncturing a fuel tank exposed in the wheel well.

But Concorde was a fragile airplane and the 737 is not.

The damage it would take to open up a fuel tank and produce that explosion would require a midair collision, ballistic object (gun, missile, rocket), a bomb or violent catastrophic engine failure.

I'm suspicious. A plane loaded with westerners but notably few or no Americans. Iran has civil aviation authority in its own country of course but they will hand those boxes over to the French and transcripts of ATC communications more than likely. It would be highly irregular for them to not release the CVR and FDR boxes.
 
El OchoCinco said:
Iran can choose not to give it to Boeing as Boeing is not entitled to it, they simply have a vested interest. SO not giving it to Boeing is not going to violate any treaty.

No one "owns" the Black Box per se, it is a possession issue and Iran has the right to possess it. Even that is not an issue.

However Iran has an obligation to analyze the date and release the cockpit recordings. The thing is most countries do not know how to properly analyze this and US is an expert but so are many countries. If Iran does it well and releases the data we all benefit. If Iran wants to be a dick and bury the info and not release it they will pay dearly internationally. So I doubt that will happen.
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did the Russians ever release the black box of the plane they downed l want to say 3 yrs ago? What were the repercussions of not doing so?
 
El OchoCinco said:
2 theories:

1) That plane was taken down by either a shoulder carried rocket or a small truck mounted one from the explosion in the air just before the plane then hit

2) An engine suddenly exploded.

One hole in both of my theories is the explosion happened 2-3 seconds before it hit the ground and exploded. I know it took off a few minutes before but it would have at least been a lot higher at that point and exploded in the air if hit by a rocket and the engine exploding would not have brought it done which such speed.

So I have no clue wtf happened but something did happen before it went down in the video.

ALSO...why was someone videoing a random plane taking off... suspicious and looks like something abnormal. the person was running with the camera to film the plane BEFORE it exploded and then crashed....

WHY?? Someone in IRAN did this with a purpose and it was a Ukraine airline.....

ALSO the plane was turning when it had that flash.. WATCH the video closely..the plane was not in a straight path as the news graphic first showed.
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I think the plane was on the way down when they started filming. It was at 7900' when they lost ALL contact. That tells me it was catastrophic event. Maybe they were a little jumpy after firing a dozen misslles at us and over reacted.
 
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