Interview question: how do you make money with options?

Quote from newguy05:


"so how do you make money with options?"


...What makes you think I make money with options? If I did I'd be on my sailboat in the bahamas with a couple strippers sipping on some pina coladas... not here trying to get a job.
 
I can't take it anymore. How many people in this thread lease a seat at the CBOE, ISE, PHLX, and are required to make markets as of yesterday, either as an off floor market maker, LMM, or DPM?

If you are not one of them, stop answering questions about market making. Seriously, you are doing a great deal of harm by pretending to know what you are talking about.
 
Quote from Agassi:

What exactly is "market making"? I know the basic idea...10 years ago, i had interviewed with spear leeds kellogg which was a market making firm. In stocks, u have the big i-banks as "market makers". My question is, can a retail individual be a market maker? that too in options? can u become a market maker? if so? how? do u have to buy a seat or lease a seat on an exchange?

My understanding of market making is that u have all the orders come to u and u match it all. say some one wants to buy x at 100, then as a market maker, u would buy the same instrument from some one else at 99 or lower price and immediately sell it at 100. This in a very basic beginner sense.

is my understanding correct? also i know as a market maker u need to make markets. can u elaborate on details? how can joe sitting in home become a market maker in options? in stocks?

Market making could mean two things:

1) Being a local at a floor exchange and just buying/selling options to profit off the bid/ask (usually there is volume in whichever options product). They work off basic supply/demand.

2) Being a firm that writes options (stock options, future's options, swapoptions, etc.) to clients. Of course these firms hedge themselves just in case the option goes against them resulting in a possible loss. They try to capture a smaller profit than just whatever they sold it initially. They hedge their positions with complicated mathematical formulas, with different models for most markets. You need to have a quantitative finance/computer programming background in order to work for these firms. In the US, Chicago is where the vast majority of option market maker firms reside. In Europe, there are a lot of Dutch firms that work in this business.

What I mentioned in my first post is more relevant to the 2nd example.
 
Every pro option trader knows: you make money with options the same way they were originally intended for: you manage risk. (I know two full colons in one sentence is unusual.) You're either buying risk or selling it, but either way you're managing it, and if you are not understanding your risk, your blind to the vehicle you're riding.
 
you manage risk

I like this answer.

though the 'consensus' may be that short options are "better", I think the premium has to justify the risk taken, otherwise (I believe) your expected value will be in the negative.
 
You'll find there are quite a few current and former market makers here and most are happy to answer questions. The thing is we all have had our own personal expereince on the floor and in different products, which is to say there is more than one way to skin a cat. Each mm or mm firm will have some subtle differences even in the same products. From that respect there is no exact one perfect answer to your original question and options on different underlyings have ways which are more or less effective depending on the underlying.

Some floors these days are 100% electronic and some are not, one thing is constant and thats the business is always changing, and that change has been pretty drastic over the last 10 years.

Take em all with a grain of salt here there are a lot of people and a lot of egos but for the most part its easy to assess whats going to help you and whose just blowing smoke.

Interesting question for an interview. Thanks for posting it!
 
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