Intelligent Design is not creationism
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So you agree with
If the bible == human experiences
then earth = hell
You're only objecting to equating the bible == human experiences. Fine.
you are ignorant to boot.
No - I'm objecting to the fact my quote had nothing to do with your equation.
completely independent of your small mind - the poster has said some of the things in the bible are lies - like its teaching on sin.
he at times says things similar to the gnostic beliefs illustrated in the matrix
and he is always telling us that our human experiences and our thoughts are lies.
so I granted him all this for the sake of argument and said fine.
I wish to know how the poster determines truth - isn't he limited by the same distortions created by our senses as well.
somehow you pulled a STU and came up with your off point equation.
Why are you spending your time here? You're too serious and don't know how to have fun.
Yes, the bible is a description of human experience...nearly worshiping the body and how it behaves.
And so yes, earth is hell. There, the worm never dies, and there is gnashing of the teeth.
But as you can see, I am denying it. That is, I am teaching how to "renounce the world" so that by making it meaningless, you can withdraw faith in it and so be free of it.
This is not to say that some other planet is heaven. There are planetary utopias compared to earth existence. And yet, all of time, space and form is unreal.
Jesus
This is a very productive inquiry. Good work.
It is the function of the Holy Spirit to teach you the difference between what is real and what is not.
As a general rule of thumb however, I can tell you that whatever you understand is not of God, and so is not real.
The "matrix" into which you've placed yourself via an alien thought system is exited by leaving your decision-making to the Holy Spirit.
What is not real is generated by your own thoughts at a level that is masked from your awareness. You've built a thought system so utterly alien and confused from reality that you cannot now be your own teacher to lead you back out.
The Teacher was created and given you just as you began to build the alien thought system, and began to make decisions based on false premises.
The Teacher does not command you, for that would imply inequality. He teaches equality. He teaches for God for you, since God does not teach. Again, this is because He considers Himself an equal to you, and sees you only as He created you, and not what you have made of yourself.
The world you built on a false premise is basically a lack of communication...a communication breakdown between Father and Son. The thought system forming this world is utterly unintelligible to the Father.
And while the Son entertains alien notions so far removed from reality, he finds himself unable to communicate with his Father...unable even to remember anything about Him. Meanwhile, all his notions of God are false.
The Holy Spirit was created to bridge this and mediate between the two incompatible thought systems...translating...keeping lines of communication open.
This solved the seeming problem the instant it seemed to arise. What you are experiencing is an illusion of time. The problem is solved...all your problems are solved. You will wake up to this. There is a miracle for every problem you think you have.
The Son of God is saved and free. In time, the Son waits upon your decision to be free because you are an indispensable part of the Sonship. It is not complete without you.
"Christ will come again" means that all parts of him will wake up and come to their senses. The first coming of the Son was his creation. The thought system he invented would have destroyed himself were it not for the work of the Teacher provided.
You simply don't know who you are while you have yet to leave your decision-making to the Holy Spirit. You have decided you are guilty and have built a thought system on it using the power of the mind of the Son. This has alienated you from your Creator and from your Self.
We share one Self...sometimes called "Christ". In each part is the whole, and the whole in each part. This is how God thinks. It is alien to you because of the thought system you built instead. Christ is your true Self.
But while you engage in self immolation, you have no clue. You are lost. You have sacrificed everything for nothing to achieve the world you think real.
More sacrifice will not solve the problem...sacrifice is the problem. God gave you everything as your inheritance. The Holy Spirit asks you give up the idea of sacrifice because only God's plan for salvation will work.
Atonement is the realization that nothing has changed who you are, and that you are worthy. But while you deem yourself not worthy, you live in Wayne's world.
Jesus
I am not self immolating. That self is dead. I am forgiven, and through the grace of Jesus I am alive - eternally.
You have an interesting framework but I think the biblical one is preferable.
God desired man to have a place in heaven. Higher than the angels I think I remember learning)
He wanted man to be able to choose to be with God.
that required allowing man to have free will.
Man at times chose to separate from God by attempting to be God.
God warned us if you try to be God you will surely die. (see serpents lie in the garden)
man chose to be like god -- man therefore dies.
God had to send himself - his Son Jesus to animate us - to bring us back to life as a new creation. We have the opportunity to be that new creation by trusting that God did this for us and acting on his promises of eternal life.
You know my favorite promise is to celebrate communion. When you eat his flesh and drink his blood Jesus is in you. You are a new creation and you inherit eternal life.
You have an interesting framework but I think the biblical one is preferable.
God desired man to have a place in heaven. Higher than the angels I think I remember learning)
He wanted man to be able to choose to be with God.
that required allowing man to have free will.
Man at times chose to separate from God by attempting to be God.
God warned us if you try to be God you will surely die. (see serpents lie in the garden)
man chose to be like god -- man therefore dies.
God had to send himself - his Son Jesus to animate us - to bring us back to life as a new creation. We have the opportunity to be that new creation by trusting that God did this for us and acting on his promises of eternal life.
You know my favorite promise is to celebrate communion. When you eat his flesh and drink his blood Jesus is in you. You are a new creation and you inherit eternal life.
lol, your all mental to carry on like this i luv ya
keep it coming i bathe in your wisdom
pssst.. God plays guitar.. i am sure of this
keep it coming i bathe in your wisdom
pssst.. God plays guitar.. i am sure of this
Jem:
>You know my favorite promise is to celebrate communion.
>When you eat his flesh and drink his blood Jesus is in you.
>You are a new creation and you inherit eternal life.
Ahh yes, that wonderfully symbolic cannibalistic ritual...your favorite. What a fantastic route to salvation. And the Christians think other religions are f*8ked up?
JB
>You know my favorite promise is to celebrate communion.
>When you eat his flesh and drink his blood Jesus is in you.
>You are a new creation and you inherit eternal life.
Ahh yes, that wonderfully symbolic cannibalistic ritual...your favorite. What a fantastic route to salvation. And the Christians think other religions are f*8ked up?
JB