Intelligent Design is not creationism

[stu]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

"...there is the overwhelmingly sound scientific basis for self organizing arrangements of parts or elements..."

If an argument from incompleteness and ignorance is sound scientific thought, then that sounds like someone isn't thinking.

"Self organizing arrangements."

What a crack up...

Stewey, the true believer in "Self organizing arrangements."

In Stewey's confused world, ignorant undirected parts just randomly, independently, purposelessly, ignorantly and mysteriously inexplicably organize themselves into a group/whole of composite parts that combine to appear as designed things which do serve a purpose (in case anyone didn't know, survival is a purpose...doh!)...and his only evidence to conclude non design at the heart of this process is scientific ignorance of why this process actually happens...so being ignorant of why, the faith develops and is practiced that it is just "the nature" of life, but of course this nature of life that they erect their belief system on is also concluded to be undirected and assumed to be the product of non design.

What a completely and incredibly unbelievable assumptive circular argument passed off as "science."

You've adequately described the Trolls world . in which Intelligent , directed cancer cells intentionally as a group purposely intelligently and miraculously and explainably organize themselves into parts that combine to appear as if a God exists and wants to kill you.

No point in any science then. Finding what actually does happen, as those cells intelligently organize themselves to attack healthy ones as they are intelligent and are there to combine into composite parts to serve the purpose to kill seeing as how they are designed and intelligently manufactured for that specific role by God.


Ignorant undirected posts that just randomly, independently, purposelessly, ignorantly and mysteriously inexplicably position themselves through the ether into a group/whole of composite parts that combine to appear as moronic things sent by their designer The zzzTroll.

 

[stu]

What makes me laugh and what is so ironic, is how a Troll will deride and despise the very intelligent designer's work he is so desperate to insist is apparent.
It could be said that the God designer arranged things in such ways that they are self organizing.
Ah, now, suddenly as if by magic, the Almighty Designer would become glorious, wonderful, magnificent. What was a moment before purposeless and ignorant because it is wholly natural, as any God itself would have to be, is now an intelligent designer's own splendid and illustrious effort.

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

no reason to respond to the quotes of hoyle, greenstreet and davies where they conflict with the scientific method.
Let Susskind do it himself.

" I have been accused of advocating an extremely dangerous idea.

The explanation of some numerical coincidences will necessarily be that most of the multiverse is uninhabitable, but in some very tiny fraction conditions are fine-tuned enough for intelligent life to form.

That's the dangerous idea and it is spreading like a cancer. " Leonard Susskind

Ah to work in such ignorance must be comforting.

You just proved my point. The explanation for the fine tuning in Susskinds view is that even though our universe looks fine tuned - our universe is really just one of billions and billions of universes - or part of the the megaverse.

His idea is catching on like wildfire because physicists need to explain why our universe looks so fine tuned.


Of course - these parallel universes are just faith right now. No proof.

so Stu you proved my point.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

More confusion from stewey...

I don't deride the power of free will that you exercise to ignore the simplest explanation of the Universe, which is a Universe by design...

Most of your post is pure babble...by design it appears...

Quote from stu:

What makes me laugh and what is so ironic, is how a Troll will deride and despise the very intelligent designer's work he is so desperate to insist is apparent.
It could be said that the God designer arranged things in such ways that they are self organizing.
Ah, now, suddenly as if by magic, the Almighty Designer would become glorious, wonderful, magnificent. What was a moment before purposeless and ignorant because it is wholly natural, as any God itself would have to be, is now an intelligent designer's own splendid and illustrious effort.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Your imagination of trolls is becoming more and more absurdist in nature...

However, the reactive striking back in the manner you do, when the nerve is clearly frayed and exposed so easily, is the primary observation...

Not necessary to say that your pain is felt, it appears bleeding all over the screen...

Seek help for your childhood wounding surrounding your disappointments that came when you failed in your practice of faith in God...

Quote from stu:

You've adequately described the Trolls world . in which Intelligent , directed cancer cells intentionally as a group purposely intelligently and miraculously and explainably organize themselves into parts that combine to appear as if a God exists and wants to kill you.

No point in any science then. Finding what actually does happen, as those cells intelligently organize themselves to attack healthy ones as they are intelligent and are there to combine into composite parts to serve the purpose to kill seeing as how they are designed and intelligently manufactured for that specific role by God.


Ignorant undirected posts that just randomly, independently, purposelessly, ignorantly and mysteriously inexplicably position themselves through the ether into a group/whole of composite parts that combine to appear as moronic things sent by their designer The zzzTroll.

 

[Turok]

zTroll:
>Seek help for your childhood wounding surrounding
>your disappointments that came when you failed in
>your practice of faith in God...

With only a hammer at his disposal, everything to Ztroll looks like a nail.

JB

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

The adult child of a Holly Roller grinds his ax...

Quote from Turok:

zTroll:
>Seek help for your childhood wounding surrounding
>your disappointments that came when you failed in
>your practice of faith in God...

With only a hammer at his disposal, everything to Ztroll looks like a nail.

JB

 

[jem]

Quote from jem:

Ah to work in such ignorance must be comforting.

You just proved my point. The explanation for the fine tuning in Susskinds view is that even though our universe looks fine tuned - our universe is really just one of billions and billions of universes - or part of the the megaverse.

His idea is catching on like wildfire because physicists need to explain why our universe looks so fine tuned.


Of course - these parallel universes are just faith right now. No proof.

so Stu you proved my point.

Wondering if Stu has found proof of the billions and billions of universes in our conjectured "multiverse"

 

[bigarrow]

Quote from jem:

Wondering if Stu has found proof of the billions and billions of universes in our conjectured "multiverse"

"And finally only a true man of faith can say he is sure there is no God." quote jem

also the same logic makes the following true

And finally only a true man of faith can say he is sure there is no multiverse.

 

[jem]

Quote from bigarrow:

"And finally only a true man of faith can say he is sure there is no God." quote jem

also the same logic makes the following true

And finally only a true man of faith can say he is sure there is no multiverse.

I am not sure there is no multiverse. However right now now other universes are unobservable conjecture.

I could be like Stu and say that a belief in the multiverse is contrary to the "scientific method" whatever Stu thinks that means.


However, I have read Susskinds remarks about the scientific method in his debate with Lee Smolin on the edge site. I am convinced that real scientists would never use that argument in such a juvenile fashion.


(By the way A multiverse would not even rule out the possibility of a designer however, it would destroy the current fine tuning therefore it may have been designed argument.)