Infrastructure rebuild, yes

[Ricter]

Amtrak is a fucking disaster, and has been. How much money could be saved if that government-subsidized POS was just terminated?

Who the FUCK needs to travel by train, and WHY?!? Amtrak is triple the ticket price as an airline flight, and takes 2-4X the time to get the destination. What is the point of it? The romance of the train?!?

Train travel has a much lower carbon footprint than air travel.

 

[Cuddles]

Train travel has a much lower carbon footprint than air travel.

rail is the most energy efficient mode of transportation

 

[Ricter]

rail is the most energy efficient mode of transportation

I don't know that to be true if a full accounting of the entire technology's system is made. When I was in logistics my rule of thumb was, if possible get it on the water. Maybe. But I'd put my bet on walking.

 

[Cuddles]

I don't know that to be true if a full accounting of the entire technology's system is made. When I was in logistics my rule of thumb was, if possible get it on the water. Maybe. But I'd put my bet on walking.

Nah, walking is fairly inefficient, you're better off biking. You got very little friction on steel to steel (rail)

I'd be surprised if ships are all that efficient given the inefficiency of propellers and all that hydro you gotta push out of the way

 

[El OchoCinco]

Nah, walking is fairly inefficient, you're better off biking. You got very little friction on steel to steel (rail)

I'd be surprised if ships are all that efficient given the inefficiency of propellers and all that hydro you gotta push out of the way

Ships still the most efficient way to get something across an ocean though

 

[UsualName]

It's all fine and good, but in 10 years, there will be no progress made. A trillion. Whoopie do. Let's see how many potholes that bill prevents. The answer will be ZERO.

Depends on what road the potholes are on. Federal road then you can hold this legislation accountable but county or local potholes then this legislation isn’t the right focus of your ire.

 

[UsualName]

More high speed rail.....??

Obama large re-build bill in 2009 had billions for the same rail
What happen to that money

(Illinois News Network) — Amtrak riders are still waiting for higher train speeds along the Chicago-to-St. Louis route.
Officials promised travel at up to 110 mph along the line as part of a nearly $2-billion dollar project largely funded by federal economic stimulus dollars awarded under then-President Barack Obama.

IDOT previously said speeds of up to 110 mph would take about an hour off the commute time between Chicago and St. Louis. Topping out at 90 mph would save about 15 minutes on the average trip.

2 billion to save 15 minutes

15 minutes for how many people over the course of how many trips. Try thinking like a planner.

 

[Ricter]

Nah, walking is fairly inefficient, you're better off biking.

I don't think so. Biking requires mining, manufacturing, road building and maintenance, at least. I've heard the human animal is the most efficient walker of all animals.

 

[Cuddles]

Ships still the most efficient way to get something across an ocean though

Underwater rails ocho, think big

 

[Cuddles]

I don't think so. Biking requires mining, manufacturing, road building and maintenance, at least. I've heard the human animal is the most efficient walker of all animals.

If you're doing a well to wheels calculation (and not just getting a bicycle off Craigslist), you may as well account for the miles you'll travel either way, calories burnt, and food intake to make up the difference of walking vs biking. Then you can compare if that offsets the few lbs of steel and rubber production.

When talking transportation efficiency, it's generally assumed point A to B, or else electric cars would be losers with their higher production impact.

And yeah, bipeds are more efficient than quadrupeds, it's why we can outrun prey