Increases in CO2 - Causes Cooling

Actually no intention of outing you, and you've already done so. I can't stand lucrum either and likewise, I have his info but have no intention of outing him, right JJ?

You spend most of your day deleting and editing posts to cover your conflicting comments, so why not start with proof that AGW is not the case?
 
jem said:
note... I thought you were not serious about the violence last time... but now... I think its better that I don't converse with you.
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I am always serious. So you think you can turn it off by running? And one of your fellow GOPs gave me your info. Such brotherhood.
 
fc - you keep calling me a liar so lets go through post by post.

true or false...

this graph comes from a peer reviewed paper.
the data comes from noaa and other agw accepted sources
you can not link to any scientist that disputes that co2 lags change in ocean temps?


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"The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11–12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5-10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes."

See: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.gloplacha.2012.08.008

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Receding Swiss glaciers incoveniently reveal 4000 year old forests – and make it clear that glacier retreat is nothing new
Posted on August 8, 2014 by Anthony Watts
By Larry Bell

Dr. Christian Schlüchter’s discovery of 4,000-year-old chunks of wood at the leading edge of a Swiss glacier was clearly not cheered by many members of the global warming doom-and-gloom science orthodoxy.

This finding indicated that the Alps were pretty nearly glacier-free at that time, disproving accepted theories that they only began retreating after the end of the little ice age in the mid-19th century. As he concluded, the region had once been much warmer than today, with “a wild landscape and wide flowing river.”


Dr. Schlüchter’s report might have been more conveniently dismissed by the entrenched global warming establishment were it not for his distinguished reputation as a giant in the field of geology and paleoclimatology who has authored/coauthored more than 250 papers and is a professor emeritus at the University of Bern in Switzerland.

Then he made himself even more unpopular thanks to a recent interview titled “Our Society is Fundamentally Dishonest” which appeared in the Swiss publication Der Bund where he criticized the U.N.-dominated institutional climate science hierarchy for extreme tunnel vision and political contamination.

Following the ancient forest evidence discovery Schlüchter became a target of scorn. As he observes in the interview, “I wasn’t supposed to find that chunk of wood because I didn’t belong to the close-knit circle of Holocene and climate researchers. My findings thus caught many experts off guard: Now an ‘amateur’ had found something that the [more recent time-focused] Holocene and climate experts should have found.”

Other evidence exists that there is really nothing new about dramatic glacier advances and retreats. In fact the Alps were nearly glacier-free again about 2,000 years ago. Schlüchter points out that “the forest line was much higher than it is today; there were hardly any glaciers. Nowhere in the detailed travel accounts from Roman times are glaciers mentioned.”

Schlüchter criticizes his critics for focusing on a time period which is “indeed too short.” His studies and analyses of a Rhone glacier area reveal that “the rock surface had [previously] been ice-free 5,800 of the last 10,000 years.”

More here: http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/warming-global-climate/2014/06/17/id/577481/#ixzz355f6L5y2
 
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/...-model-says-it-has-to-be-warming/#more-114365


MADISON, Wis. — When the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change recently requested a figure for its annual report, to show global temperature trends over the last 10,000 years, the University of Wisconsin-Madison’s Zhengyu Liu knew that was going to be a problem.

“We have been building models and there are now robust contradictions,” says Liu, a professor in the UW-Madison Center for Climatic Research. “Data from observation says global cooling. The physical model says it has to be warming.”

more at the link above
 
jem said:
Science shows CO2 lags change in ocean temps.. see the peer reviewed paper below.

"The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11–12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5-10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes."

See: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.gloplacha.2012.08.008

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Maurice Newman, Aussie PM Abbott’s most senior advisor, on the dangers of global cooling
Posted on August 14, 2014 by Anthony Watts
Story submitted by Eric Worrall

“WHAT if David Archibald’s book The Twilight of Abundance: Why Life in the 21st Century Will Be Nasty, Brutish, and Short turns out to be right? What if the past 50 years of peace, cheap energy, abundant food, global economic growth and population explosion have been due to a temporary climate phenomenon?”

This is the first paragraph of Maurice Newman’s latest attack on the world’s infatuation with global warming.




Maurice Newman is the Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s most senior economic advisor – one of the first acts of the newly elected Abbott government was to appoint Maurice Newman to the chair of the government Business Advisory Council.
According to the article written by Newman;

“If the world does indeed move into a cooling period, its citizens are ill-prepared. After the 2008 financial crisis, most economies are still struggling to recover. Cheap electricity in a colder climate will be critical, yet distorted price signals caused by renewable energy policies are driving out reliable baseload generators. Attracting fresh investment will be difficult, expensive and slow.
Only time will tell, but it is fanciful to believe that it will be business as usual in a colder global climate. “

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/opini...he-iceman-cometh/story-e6frg6zo-1227023489894

If Newman is right, governments have been preparing for the wrong crisis, squandering resources which could have been used to prepare us for the coming cold. At the depths of the Little Ice Age, grain production in Northern latitudes, regions which are currently regarded as the breadbaskets of the Western World, was severely curtailed, due to shorter growing seasons and greater weather instability. And there is always the risk that a little ice age could become something worse – if the historical record is any guide, we are nearing the end of the current interglacial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/08/...on-the-dangers-of-global-cooling/#more-114457
 
this person seems to be saying the greehouse gas concept is not real.

http://www.fauxscienceslayer.com/pdf/Greenhouse_Gas_Ptolemaic_Model.pdf

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Ozone in the high atmosphere absorbs life damaging UV light in the 200 to 360
nanometer and the 450 to 750 nm ranges. Ozone has a half life of 30 minutes and is
constantly destroyed and replaced. Ground level ozone has proven effective in absorbing
UV that thin layers in the atmosphere did not absorb. Paris has used Ozone for water
purification for over a century and more than a thousand cities have this system today.
EPA claims of negative effects of ground level Ozone may be hyperbole. Oxygen absorbs
energy in the 50 to 242 nm range. Carbon Dioxide absorbs in the 1400, 1600 and 2000
nm range, but with its low Infrared emission, based on its low 210o
to 310o
K temperature
range, the Earth only emits energy in ONE CO2 absorption range. The CO2 molecule is
linear, with central Carbon atom and one Oxygen atom, exactly opposite each other.
With this molecule structure, CO2 has only one vibrational mode, and absorption results
in a billionth of a second vibration, followed by an emission, which due to the Laws of
Energy Conservation, MUST be lower energy and longer wavelength. The now excited
CO2 molecule then releases this excess energy to the adjoining 79% atmospheric
Nitrogen and 19% atmospheric Oxygen. This energy is then removed from the lower
atmosphere to the upper by convective currents and does NOT travel down to the Earth.
The planet wide lapse rate of 2o C (3o F) for every 1000 ft of altitude increase is proof that
this energy is being removed in accordance with the Laws of Thermodynamics.
Now to the greatest buffering factor in Earth’s temperature, water vapor. As shown in
red on the graph, water absorbs almost continuously from the 200 nm to the 2500 nm
range, including the three absorption bands for CO2. From Wiki, “HITRON
spectroscopy shows 37,000 spectral lines for gaseous H2O from the micro wave to the
visible spectrum”. This does not include the massive number of absorption bands by
water vapor in the Infrared range. Per Wiki, water has multiple rotational, vibrational
and electronic absorption states in multiple EMR bands. What the climate alchemists
have tried to get humanity to believe is that the ONE band of Earth emitted IR absorbed
by CO2 and water vapor in the 2000 nm range is the governing factor in climate. While
it is axiomatic that ‘delayed warming is cooling’, it is false to assert that ‘delayed cooling
is warming’ as we will discuss. P
 
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