7 States in the U.S. had no lockdown whatsoever. Others had varying degrees of lockdown.
In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart
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7 States in the U.S. had no lockdown whatsoever. Others had varying degrees of lockdown.
The biggest worry in hospitals is the hospitalizations that tend to begin soon after the surge in positive Covid-19 infections.
The next concern is the capacity issues with hospitals especially going into the seasonal Flu season which by the way is now.
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Number of Covid-19 patients in Swedish ICU doubles in a month
Published torsdag 15 oktober kl 16.36
The spread of Covid-19 infections has increased in Sweden in recent weeks and should be taken seriously, the Swedish Public Health Agency said at a press conference Thursday.
The number of people being treated in intensive care across the country has almost doubled over a few weeks, with 31 Covid-19 patients currently in ICUs. This is a sharp increase from just a month ago, when only 16 patients were in intensive care.
In hospital places outside intensive care, 170 covid patients are also being cared for, according to the National Board of Health and Welfare.
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7576010
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The above is not a problem in Sweden alone...its a growing problem the past month in many other countries in the world too.
To me, the number of hospitialization is meaningless unless the hospitals capacity threshold is also discussed.
For example, when I see an article by Swedish health officials that say the number of hospitalization has doubled in the past month...are they now near capacity, 75% of capacity, 50% of capacity or over-capacity. Just as important, what are the capacity levels typically at this time of year in comparison.
If anyone here has ever seen what it looks like when hospitals reach over-capacity...the image below shows clearly what it looks like when hospitals reach over capacity. Hospitals will put Covid-19 patients with severe illnesses...in the hallway.
That means any hospital personnel that walks on those over-capacity floors...they must be in full PPE to prevent from becoming a patient themselves.
Another issue about over-capacity or near capacity issues is the transportation concern within the hospital when a patient goes from bad to worst requiring ICU / intubation and so on.
That's a very dangerous transportation process because typically the ICUs are located on another floor or located in a different wing of the hospital.
Note: Images above are not from Swedish hospitals. I've used the images of other hospitals in the world to show what happens when a hospital reaches over-capacity.
Yet, I have posted images of Swedish hospitals at over-capacity early in the Pandemic in other threads...not much different then the images above.
wrbtrader
The next concern is the capacity issues with hospitals especially going into the seasonal Flu season which by the way is now.
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Number of Covid-19 patients in Swedish ICU doubles in a month
Published torsdag 15 oktober kl 16.36
The spread of Covid-19 infections has increased in Sweden in recent weeks and should be taken seriously, the Swedish Public Health Agency said at a press conference Thursday.
The number of people being treated in intensive care across the country has almost doubled over a few weeks, with 31 Covid-19 patients currently in ICUs. This is a sharp increase from just a month ago, when only 16 patients were in intensive care.
In hospital places outside intensive care, 170 covid patients are also being cared for, according to the National Board of Health and Welfare.
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7576010
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The above is not a problem in Sweden alone...its a growing problem the past month in many other countries in the world too.
To me, the number of hospitialization is meaningless unless the hospitals capacity threshold is also discussed.
For example, when I see an article by Swedish health officials that say the number of hospitalization has doubled in the past month...are they now near capacity, 75% of capacity, 50% of capacity or over-capacity. Just as important, what are the capacity levels typically at this time of year in comparison.
If anyone here has ever seen what it looks like when hospitals reach over-capacity...the image below shows clearly what it looks like when hospitals reach over capacity. Hospitals will put Covid-19 patients with severe illnesses...in the hallway.
That means any hospital personnel that walks on those over-capacity floors...they must be in full PPE to prevent from becoming a patient themselves.
Another issue about over-capacity or near capacity issues is the transportation concern within the hospital when a patient goes from bad to worst requiring ICU / intubation and so on.
That's a very dangerous transportation process because typically the ICUs are located on another floor or located in a different wing of the hospital.
Note: Images above are not from Swedish hospitals. I've used the images of other hospitals in the world to show what happens when a hospital reaches over-capacity.
Yet, I have posted images of Swedish hospitals at over-capacity early in the Pandemic in other threads...not much different then the images above.
wrbtrader
31 people in ICUs for Covid in all of Sweden?
When you are that low.. isn't doubling a ridiculous fear tactic?
How does that compare with its neighbors say Denmark?
Spain, France, Italy?
Even Canada?
So should we be wondering if things might bet worse during the winter...yes.
Are we there yet?
When you are that low.. isn't doubling a ridiculous fear tactic?
How does that compare with its neighbors say Denmark?
Spain, France, Italy?
Even Canada?
So should we be wondering if things might bet worse during the winter...yes.
Are we there yet?
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Cases in Canada still exploding to even higher levels
deaths ramping..
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada
many countries in Europe far surpassing previous infection levels.
change the country name in your url... to
see these countries not doing too well.
spain
italy
denmark
netherlands
Sweden looks very good by comparison...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
isn't time we tell the truth about Sweden's approach...
Tegnall warned of a second wave...
Sweden may have one too... but at the moment many shutdown countries are far worse off in terms of infections than before. Sweden looks far better in comparison.
deaths ramping..
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada
many countries in Europe far surpassing previous infection levels.
change the country name in your url... to
see these countries not doing too well.
spain
italy
denmark
netherlands
Sweden looks very good by comparison...
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
isn't time we tell the truth about Sweden's approach...
Tegnall warned of a second wave...
Sweden may have one too... but at the moment many shutdown countries are far worse off in terms of infections than before. Sweden looks far better in comparison.
I think its time for you to openly post the statistics of the other countries that did not lockdown and compare them to Sweden's numbers now that you seem willing to do comparisons.
Next, maybe you can give your opinion about why those other countries that did not lockdown...why they are outperforming Sweden.
Simply, of course Sweden looks good but its being outperformed by other countries that happens to also have much lower death counts than Sweden and currently with less restrictions and other nearby countries have not shut their borders to those countries unlike Sweden.
wrbtrader
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Good idea...
You should go for it.
This is the second time you brought up something like that...
I have shared with you what I thought.
I asked you for your input as I did not consider my analysis complete.
You should go for it.
This is the second time you brought up something like that...
I have shared with you what I thought.
I asked you for your input as I did not consider my analysis complete.
I think its time for you to openly post the statistics of the other countries that did not lockdown and compare them to Sweden's numbers now that you seem willing to do comparisons.
Next, maybe you can give your opinion about why those other countries that did not lockdown...why they are outperforming Sweden.
wrbtrader
Reminder, the tactic you claim is by Swedish health officials not only stating it has double...they wrote a damn report about it.
I on the other hand would rather minimize their tactic via seeing a larger picture of the actual capacity of the hospitals. Simply, that fear tactic by the Swedish health officials may not be warranted if its not even near the capacity threshold of the hospitals.
- For example, hypothetical, if the hospital capacity is 300...why would they freak out about the numbers going from 16 to 31 including writing a damn article (report) about their concerns ???
Their failure to write about that is the FEAR tactic that they presented in their article although it didn't scare me...I don't live in Sweden.
wrbtrader
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I've posted the countries and their statistics / graphs about 5x so far at this forum. You can easily look it up yourself at any site that keeps country statistics such as the link (Worldmeters) you've posted a few times to complete your analysis.
Seriously, Sweden is doing very good but the other countries that did not lockdown and performing better than Sweden...barely gets mentioned except by me and a few others.
Yet, I believe Sweden is the one putting out articles and videos about their "No Lockdown" or "Lockdown Lite" (term they coined) about their approach to Covid-19 while the other countries have not done the same as in less bragging.
wrbtrader
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Complete bs. You repeat the same bs every day and California where you live has worse numbers. I could have posted that cases in California were "exploding" for two months straight this summer. But I didn't because I have perspective something you clearly do not have.
Yesterday's Numbers :
Canada 2374, 23 ( why not >> 90 ??? "exploding", "ramping" )
California 3107, 65
So same infections triple the deaths in California. Congratulations moron you are worse then "exploding". And I hope you enjoy paying your health insurance premiums. Some things in life are well earned.
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