I'm going long here

Quote from achilles28:

You guys got some balls.

Credit crisis is nowhere close to over...

I know what you mean by that comment as a generalisation but balls and trading ought not to go together.

I don't consider this a crash, althought the puppet TV has done its utmost to brainwash people into fearful reactions.

The crash is yet to come and you correctly preceive the ticking bomb, but I think the smart money has set this up nicely to transfer the wealth yet again.

A tight stop trade on a proven trendline isn't balls, it's a no brainer.
 
Quote from Mvic:

True, visibility beyond a few hours is not there. There are many indications that this is a bottom of some kind Vix hitting 67, spread between cash vix and futures, Monthly RS low, SPX hitting multi decade uptrend line at low today, what looked like capitulation today down 800 but it really is different this time due to the leverage involved and the potential to overshoot on the down side is very real. I went long the NQ again today hoping for a repeat of last Monday's low followed by the Tuseday turn around and the potential for getting an emergency rate cut (though since we didn't get it today I am not so sure about that) but not looking for a long term trade, will give it room and if we never look back great but not taking any huge positions here, there will be plenty of time for that once the dust settles given the wealth destruction that has taken place.


I waited 2 years to short oil.. then put friends and family into straddles and strangles (OIH) when oil was in upper 120s looking for oil to be in 80-90s by late summer... was still holding long puts until I took some off table today.. and rolled out and down in 1/4 amount... but added calls again!

Morale of story for me is you can make 2-5 trades all year and come out better than trading every day (like I used to do when I did this full-time back in 2006)
 
Quote from yoohoo:

I know what you mean by that comment as a generalisation but balls and trading ought not to go together.

I don't consider this a crash, althought the puppet TV has done its utmost to brainwash people into fearful reactions.

The crash is yet to come and you correctly preceive the ticking bomb, but I think the smart money has set this up nicely to transfer the wealth yet again.

A tight stop trade on a proven trendline isn't balls, it's a no brainer.

You're right about the technical pullback on the channel line.

And continual Government props and uncertainty should provide a nice short term bounce.

Marc Faber says the total cost of the bailout will reach 5 TRILLION.

Whatever asset "deflation" (Return to mean) we have now, will see a nice rally once that liquidity hits the books.

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Quote from ByLoSellHi:

There's a critical - even most critical - element no one has mentioned.

Jobs.

How can things improve while we're still shedding jobs?

everybody and their mothers(and their wifes) expect jobs to get worse from now
 
Quote from achilles28:



Marc Faber says the total cost of the bailout will reach 5 TRILLION.


Problem is no one knows for sure. It's an accounting nightmare and I've seen is guessimated at 10 trillion. In any event $700Bn is pissing in a galeforce wind when this hits home.
 
Found this on TSCM, pretty interesting analysis of the 1974 bottom and corresponding news flow. Markets tend to bottom before 'good news', not after the fact.

A. June: New car sales drop 24%.

B. August: More Watergate disclosures, heavy selling.

C. August: President Nixon resigns.

D. October: Franklin National Bank collapses in biggest bank failure in U.S. history.

E. October: Public pulls in horns as U.S. begins to slide into the worst recession since the 1930s.

F. December: New car sales down 34%, housing starts at eight-year low.

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Cutten, i agree. Happy to be buying here and selling puts at ridiculous prices. We might go down another 20%. Who cares? It's time to buy. And we will get a bounce, regardless of whether we go lower or not, and when we do i'll decide then whether to sell into it. I haven't seen this much opportunity in a long time. It may take ten or twenty years for the economy to recover, who knows? I'm buying.
 
Quote from makloda:

Found this on TSCM, pretty interesting analysis of the 1974 bottom and corresponding news flow. Markets tend to bottom before 'good news', not after the fact.

A. June: New car sales drop 24%.

B. August: More Watergate disclosures, heavy selling.

C. August: President Nixon resigns.

D. October: Franklin National Bank collapses in biggest bank failure in U.S. history.

E. October: Public pulls in horns as U.S. begins to slide into the worst recession since the 1930s.

F. December: New car sales down 34%, housing starts at eight-year low.

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Thats all well and good but how does one propose to catch the falling knife?

What metric do we use to anticipate the curtailment of bad news?
 
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