Illegal immigrant who paid a whopping 300 bucks in taxes flips off Trump.

[Max E.]

Anecdotal evidence of some girl flipping burgers paying 300$ on state tax (no mention of federal or municipal) can't be extrapolated to the rest of the DACA recipients. Show me an engineer or teacher who can now work under DACA at full salary only paying 300$ in federal taxes. If they're at 23% @ 50k/yr (low ballpark) they'd pay their debt in 10 yrs. Obviously the inverse is true, there will be bums making minimum wage.

Regionally are DACA receipients in border areas with lower average education cost?
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/18/474256366/why-americas-schools-have-a-money-problem

Will DACA students compare favorably among citizen/resident peers in number of graduates/non graduates who are a net drain to the tax base?

Here is a hint, more than half of the country living here LEGALLY gets more from the government than they pay in, do you think the illegals are the ones footing the bill? LOL!!! Is that really all you could come up with?

Im sure there are lots of illegals who pay more than their fair share in taxes, when there is 14 million people there is always going to be outliers, but we both know on net, illegals dont pay more into the system in taxes then they get out, you can try to twist it and make ridiculous arguments all day, but it would defy basic fucking logic to actually believe Illegals are paying more in taxes then they are getting back from the government, especially given the fact that a large portion of them work under the table and dont pay any taxes at all.

 

[Cuddles]

Here is a hint, more than half of the country living here LEGALLY gets more from the government than they pay in, do you think the illegals are the ones footing the bill? LOL!!! Is that really all you could come up with?

Nope, that's some clever word twisting; what I'm saying is I'm not so sure the illegals take more than the average and I'd think they'd be more willing to become contributors if given the opportunity (which is what DACA provides).

Right now, illegals are more likely to not be contributors as many don't have a social security number, can't drive legally (making them more prone to become liabilities in case of accident) or less likely to look for more favorable job opportunities due to distance, can't buy health insurance (making them more likely to use federal funds in emergency situations), etc, etc...

 

[Max E.]

Nope, that's some clever word twisting; what I'm saying is I'm not so sure the illegals take more than the average and I'd think they'd be more willing to become contributors if given the opportunity (which is what DACA provides).

Right now, illegals are more likely to not be contributors as many don't have a social security number, can't drive legally (making them more prone to become liabilities in case of accident) or less likely to look for more favorable job opportunities due to distance, can't buy health insurance (making them more likely to use federal funds in emergency situations), etc, etc...

So then the answer in your eyes is to make them legal so atleast they are paying something?

So we arent even arguing that they are a net drain, now we are just arguing about "degree."

So how many illegals do you think we should take in if they are a net drain on the system? Why not just take in all of southamerica, im sure if we put a sign up saying "Everyone is welcome" we could have 100 million illegals in here in a few months, would that be a net benefit on our economy?

If these people are a net gain to the economy why not just take in half of south america, and then the economy could really boom, we could party like its 1999 on steroids.

I happen to believe in some sort of amnesty, im not naieve, but if we are going that route we better have the border secured cause otherwise we will have 10 million more illegals in a few months, Secure the border FIRST, then deal with the people who are here, otherwise its open season.

 

[Max E.]

Show me an engineer or teacher who can now work under DACA at full salary only paying 300$ in federal taxes. If they're at 23% @ 50k/yr (low ballpark) they'd pay their debt in 10 yrs. Obviously the inverse is true, there will be bums making minimum wage.

Not sure where you get your 23% tax on 50k income from but you clearly dont live in the states if you think its that high, i only paid an average of about 25% on 300k of income when i lived there, most people at 50k with children pay close to zero.

 

[Cuddles]

Not sure where you get your 23% tax on 50k income from but you clearly dont live in the states if you think its that high, i only paid an average of about 25% on 300k of income when i lived there, most people at 50k with children pay close to zero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-16-55.pdf

I don't know what kind of deductions or voodoo tax avoidance tactics you were using but I'd like to know

 

[Max E.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rp-16-55.pdf

You can deduct interest on your house, as well as deductions for each child, and deductions for healthcare, the number they pay is closer to 0 then it is to 23% maybe 5k on 50k of income.

 

[Max E.]

I don't know what kind of deductions or voodoo tax avoidance tactics you were using but I'd like to know

If you dont claim your income you dont get taxed on it.

j/k i was admittedly living beyond my means cause i thought my trading would continue to grow exponentially, then i got smacked by a crooked broker, who stole 90% of my trading capital...... but interest rate deduction on housing is pretty huge, a deductible you dont get in any other country.

Also capital gains taxed much lower as are dividends.

 

[Cuddles]

So then the answer in your eyes is to make them legal so atleast they are paying something?

I'm an equal opportunity advocate when it comes to getting robbed by the government.

If you dont claim your income you dont get taxed on it.

j/k i was admittedly living beyond my means cause i thought my trading would continue to grow exponentially, then i got smacked by a crooked broker, who stole 90% of my trading capital...... but interest rate deduction on housing is pretty huge, a deductible you dont get in any other country.

Also capital gains taxed much lower as are dividends.

I'm going by the assumption that most DACA'ers aren't homeowners (as this is relatively new EO) and aren't married (as they would've mostly adjusted if they were (unless married to another illegal)).

And really how many people you know making money off capital gains as opposed to ordinary income?

 

[Max E.]

I'm an equal opportunity advocate when it comes to getting robbed by the government.



I'm going by the assumption that most DACA'ers aren't homeowners (as this is relatively new EO) and aren't married (as they would've mostly adjusted if they were (unless married to another illegal)).

And really how many people you know making money off capital gains as opposed to ordinary income?

The birth rate among latinos is actually much higher than any other racial group in america, they are the fastest growing racial group, so odds are if illegals actually are paying taxes they are also taking advantage of many more deductions, and both they and their kids are using the system much more than anyone else.

 

[Max E.]

I'm an equal opportunity advocate when it comes to getting robbed by the government.