Illegal immigrant who paid a whopping 300 bucks in taxes flips off Trump.

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Ok...so Lets do the math. $230 billion increase in GDP over 10 years. As the numbers I posted it costs us $176 billion just to educate them over 13 years which would come out to $135 billion over 10 years to make it fair.

So...$230 Billion increase in GDP and costs us $135 billion in taxes. Generally you can roughly assume 20% of GDP goes to taxes, so we get back $46 billion over 10 years. So they cost us $89 billion over 10 years, just in education not even counting anything else.

Seriously though...what is wrong with sending them back and letting them go through the process of coming here LEGALLY? Why should they get a free pass to jump the line? There are people waiting years to come here. It's not fair to the people who actually want to obey our laws.
 
Seriously though...what is wrong with sending them back and letting them go through the process of coming here LEGALLY?

There is an obvious answer. Even 20 years ago prominent liberal democrats recognized the problems of excessive immigration, legal and illegal. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/429946/barbara-jordans-immigration-legacy

Then under Bill Clinton they saw their road to a permanent majority through letting in vast numbers of unskilled Hispanics who would be legalized and who would vote democrat. It worked in California and a number of other states.

For democrats, getting power is an end in itself and transcends any notions of what is best for the country or its citizens. Most of the their voters are easily manipulated through the media and will believe pretty much anything, even if it is clearly contrary to their own interest.
 
Ok...so Lets do the math. $230 billion increase in GDP over 10 years. As the numbers I posted it costs us $176 billion just to educate them over 13 years which would come out to $135 billion over 10 years to make it fair.

So...$230 Billion increase in GDP and costs us $135 billion in taxes. Generally you can roughly assume 20% of GDP goes to taxes, so we get back $46 billion over 10 years. So they cost us $89 billion over 10 years, just in education not even counting anything else.

Seriously though...what is wrong with sending them back and letting them go through the process of coming here LEGALLY? Why should they get a free pass to jump the line? There are people waiting years to come here. It's not fair to the people who actually want to obey our laws.

Except education (k-12) is paid by property taxes and not income taxes so your math is all wrong.
 
Except education (k-12) is paid by property taxes and not income taxes so your math is all wrong.

Actually in over 30 of the states in America the operational expenses for schools (teacher's salaries, etc.) are paid for at the state level, not the local level. These teachers, administrators, etc. are state employees. North Carolina is an example of this. All of these K-12 operational expenses are paid by income taxes, not property taxes.

These states (with state controlled school systems) do not vote on a local school board budget each year to fund salaries and other expenses. School systems in these states have a county school board that is responsible for school construction and other oversight items (school bus routes, enrollment caps, etc.), but not operational funding.
 
Actually in over 30 of the states in America the operational expenses for schools (teacher's salaries, etc.) are paid for at the state level, not the local level. These teachers, administrators, etc. are state employees. North Carolina is an example of this. All of these K-12 operational expenses are paid by income taxes, not property taxes.

These states (with state controlled school systems) do not vote on a local school board budget each year to fund salaries and other expenses. School systems in these states have a county school board that is responsible for school construction and other oversight items (school bus routes, enrollment caps, etc.), but not operational funding.

I will concede, seems like the overall nationwide average breaks up to 45% local, 45% state & 10% federal.

http://www.npr.org/2016/04/18/474256366/why-americas-schools-have-a-money-problem

Still, the aforementioned math does not account for the property taxes.

On full disclosure, my pie charts were based on hypothetical numbers of implementing DAPA & extended DACA (died at SCOTUS) along w/existing DACA. I still don't get the logic of not wanting to make them tax contributors.
 
I will concede, seems like the overall nationwide average breaks up to 45% local, 45% state & 10% federal.

http://www.npr.org/2016/04/18/474256366/why-americas-schools-have-a-money-problem

Still, the aforementioned math does not account for the property taxes.

On full disclosure, my pie charts were based on hypothetical numbers of implementing DAPA & extended DACA (died at SCOTUS) along w/existing DACA. I still don't get the logic of not wanting to make them tax contributors.


Either way Peils numbers were accurate, your claim is that illegals add 200 billion to the economy, the average cost per person in the education system is 10k per year, so if there is 1.76 million people under DACA times it by 10k,(average cost per year per student) which would be 17.6 billion, then times it by ten years (since most kids go to school for atleast ten years.) The numbers Peil has are spot on, frankly you would have to be delusional to think people who are a net drain on the system somehow add to the economy.

Sweden is currently witnessing this problem where roughly half of all refugees are on welfare, but supposedly it grows the economy, please tell me where that growth comes from? Tax payers are paying for it, either through inflation, or debt, you cant bring in people who cost the system more than they pay into it, and claim you are "growing" the economy in real dollars.

Sadly the government in all of the western countries have written cheques they cant possibly cash, the only way to pay for that if by deflating the value of the dollar, and running up debt, so they lie and say people who add no "NET VALUE" to the economy are necessary, because its a gigantic ponzi scheme that requires more and more people paying for less and less benefits in order to survive. Its a slow bleed.

It would be like if a bunch of "Serfs" were working some farmland, and suddenly someone with no arms or legs showed up from another place to live on that farm land, at the end of the day would there be more food based on the labor of the armless legless serf who just showed up there? Or would they simply have to split the food they already produced, with yet another person? There is no such thing as a "free lunch"

If someoene doesnt produce atleast the same amount they take out, they are a net drain on the system. On what balance sheet, and under what kind of fucked up mathematics could you claim the opposite?

In the simplest terms, money represents a unit of labor, printing more money, does not mean there is more production, someone in society has to make up for it, see the broken window fallacy, and why keynesian economics is a joke.

If you come to this country and pay 300 dollars a year in taxes and take out 10k per year in benefits, someone has to pay the bill, there is no free lunch. Who do you think should pay that bill? Also how many people do you think we can afford to just keep coming in for free, or even worse at a -9700$ cost? Should we just let every single person who wants to come here get in with no questions asked? How long do you think that would last before we are broke?

If illegal immigrants and refugees truly grow the economy why dont we just let the whole world in, according to that logic, we would see an economic boom the likes of which we have never seen. Taking in 3 billion third world immigrants should shoot the dow to 20 bazillion according to liberals, so why not just open the doors for everyone?
 
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Milton Friedman already explained the problem of social security, and sadly we didnt listen, now the governments solution seems to be to import a bunch of people who pay even less than they take out of the system in order to solve the problem.

 
If someoene doesnt produce atleast the same amount they take out, they are a net drain on the system. On what balance sheet, and under what kind of fucked up mathematics could you claim the opposite?



Anecdotal evidence of some girl flipping burgers paying 300$ on state tax (no mention of federal or municipal) can't be extrapolated to the rest of the DACA recipients. Show me an engineer or teacher who can now work under DACA at full salary only paying 300$ in federal taxes. If they're at 23% @ 50k/yr (low ballpark) they'd pay their debt in 10 yrs. Obviously the inverse is true, there will be bums making minimum wage.

Regionally are DACA receipients in border areas with lower average education cost?
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/18/474256366/why-americas-schools-have-a-money-problem

Will DACA students compare favorably among citizen/resident peers in number of graduates/non graduates who are a net drain to the tax base?
 
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