If you want to fail as a trader, study TA

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Money doesn't stand still, but it doesn't flow into the market & go on a never-ending path upward either. So if you missed the 1st move up, then wait until some time has gone by , and catch it when it comes back down.........................as long as you think it'll go back up again.
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As per recent post in Obvious thread, money is shifted by The Generals is their never ending quest to earn big fat commissions.

We do not care why, we just need to know it happens that way.

If The Generals are moving money around, then, what Time do you think they are moving it in:cool:

When you have the document, always remember that you just pick the bits that make sense, as it is very easy to waste time on studying the useless bits:D

Lets see what RN's "I" might mean?

Idiotic = No
Intrinsic = No
Integrated = No
Isolated = No
Inverted = No
Intraday = No
Intuitive = hmmm....Na...No
Individual = hmmm...maybe...Na...No

Now, lets see what RN is really thinking:D

Intermarket = No
Ichimoku = No :D


and, maybe, but surely, not...

Introspection = hmmmm...I:)

when u look, into the book
what u see, is not what BE,
to look beyond, that distant pond
you must use glass, to save your ass

look in the eye, and say with thy
a fool you BE, to think like HE
for what HE know, is naught but show
inspired:D I BE, but that not glee

it can be slow, but I must know
to win a dollar, I need not scholar
to take from HE, and give to ME
all I need do, is practice too:cool:

but when I try, I must be SPY
and look within, to see the grin
for now we now, what moves the show
and it will BE, like that you see

no matter what, they say or not
it is all crap, more of the trap
to suck you in, and stop you grin
but fuk them all, and yuo'll be tall

RN he know, what bits to show
for he is kind, and not so blind:D
TE you see, is like a BEE
and Bizze Bee, what you must BE

to think to take, with no real make
a fool you BE, deserve it thee
but work you do, will stand to YOU
one day with look, say HOLY FUK:D

money so, and money go
but money fall, into your hall
if you but think, take time to blink
and listen time, to words in rhyme

it may seem odd, so on your todd
for we not care, bout you out there
if you no see, what make it BE
you might just say, I study TA :p

TE
 
Quote from Mysteron:

I've been thinking who the 5th person might be, and why the first three popped up for a while only to slink back into the shadows, and then TE popped up :cool:

Anything written here can be read by the masses so I feel reluctant to spell out what I'm thinking about, especially as its taken me considerable time and effort to built up a picture, and time is extremely precious to me. Thats why, when I gave a response to FA, I did not give a straight answer, although I hope a helpful one - in the spirit of the 'think for yourself theme'. One way to find out what a term means is simply to read the entire thread, or ask for someone else to give the answer. Why not just search, by which I mean click on the print icon at the top right of the page to get a searcheable html file of the entire thread.

I could draw a diagram of a typical reversal chart pattern that has got my interest, how it looks on a higher TF in terms of OHLC bars, how it looks if the sampling is offset a bit, the lower TF S shaped bit in the middle, WRB followed by NRB, then the start of the reversal, if indeed thats what it is. I don't feel that I should do that though as it would possibly benefit those who lurk.

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Chinese Spongbob...Brilliant:)
 
Quote from Mysteron:

I've been thinking who the 5th person might be, and why the first three popped up for a while only to slink back into the shadows, and then TE popped up :cool:

Anything written here can be read by the masses so I feel reluctant to spell out what I'm thinking about, especially as its taken me considerable time and effort to built up a picture, and time is extremely precious to me. Thats why, when I gave a response to FA, I did not give a straight answer, although I hope a helpful one - in the spirit of the 'think for yourself theme'. One way to find out what a term means is simply to read the entire thread, or ask for someone else to give the answer. Why not just search, by which I mean click on the print icon at the top right of the page to get a searcheable html file of the entire thread.

I could draw a diagram of a typical reversal chart pattern that has got my interest, how it looks on a higher TF in terms of OHLC bars, how it looks if the sampling is offset a bit, the lower TF S shaped bit in the middle, WRB followed by NRB, then the start of the reversal, if indeed thats what it is. I don't feel that I should do that though as it would possibly benefit those who lurk.

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MN,


Appears you’re learning the meaning of value – btw the only thing a redneck values more than family – is friends – although they are extremely few and far between – and smart work….

Life as a pet fish is quite intriguing – wouldn’t you agree



What you’re going to find, if you already haven’t, is a couple of things;

You could serve it up on a silver platter and it would be rejected
Until and unless one does the work – there is no value



Btw – you’re response to FA was spot on – being the simpleminded one I figured I would spell it out….



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On a separate note – and for those yet to appreciate value


First – this is TE’s thread – always was, always will be

Second – if you expect me to do your thinking – pound sand


I have as much desire to help as TE, but I’ll be damned if I will jeopardized that which I value

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Now I am going to build a new analysis technique and name it – IA

Why – because I can… and because I’ll know exactly what it is


Feel free to lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way…

Freeloaders need not bother – you’ll be wasting time

And as we know;

Time – Is what you make of it

Time – Is money

Time – Can never be recovered :eek: Best YOU use it wisely
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MN Great video


RN
 
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As per recent post in Obvious thread, money is shifted by The Generals is their never ending quest to earn big fat commissions.

We do not care why, we just need to know it happens that way.

If The Generals are moving money around, then, what Time do you think they are moving it in:cool:

When you have the document, always remember that you just pick the bits that make sense, as it is very easy to waste time on studying the useless bits:D

Lets see what RN's "I" might mean?

Idiotic = No
Intrinsic = No
Integrated = No
Isolated = No
Inverted = No
Intraday = No
Intuitive = hmmm....Na...No
Individual = hmmm...maybe...Na...No

Now, lets see what RN is really thinking:D

Intermarket = No
Ichimoku = No :D


and, maybe, but surely, not...

Introspection = hmmmm...I:)



TE
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Alas the list grows
To me the word is as plain as my nose

Price’s action is what I had said
Price is sometimes lively other times dead

But is does what it does with purpose and thought
Our job is but to be ready – exactly as we aught

This analysis technique of which I do speak
If worth a damn should give us a peek

As to what we must do and where we should be
If we ever to make GOOD money

RN
 
Quote from Mysteron:

One way to find out what a term means is simply to read the entire thread, or ask for someone else to give the answer. Why not just search, by which I mean click on the print icon at the top right of the page to get a searcheable html file of the entire thread.
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that's one heck of a handy tip MN...
 
Quote from SK0:

Thanks for afford me the chance to ask.:D

If I understand correctly, the space inside outer levels encompasses 70% of the sample. What about the space inside inner levels where noise resides I assume?

The space inside the outer levels includes the inner levels region. In a trading sytem that is rimelss (works in all markets all the time) there is no noise nor are there any anomalies. In fact, this is part of the testing to verify that a system is a viable system Often we read about unvioable systems in two categories: they expire or they only work under some market conditions (as "this doesn't work in "chop").

And, why 5 min bar sample if the pane displays 1 min bar?

The pane displays OTR level data and it indexes every minute in order that time based derivative signals can bt determined visually and quickly and well in advance.

Lastly, please elaborate further on the signals if you could. You seem to say that we should see no abnormal indication if a bar stays inside space bounded by outer levels.

This fail safe indicator operates under stochastics premise. There are never any abnormal indications.

So, do you mean space beyond outer levels are where we should find the change signals?

In trading systems there are five descrete events that occur in the zone of a trade. Trade is defined as taking the full profits of a profit segment. Furthermore, profit segments ar contiguous as a series.

I name the five descrete events as: end of continue, beginning of change, optimum change, end of change and beginning of continue. Signals are used to detect the points between each of these elements. Four signals occur as you see.

Taking the full profit segment is done during the optimum change period. For example a person doing 15 trades a day, can optimize these trades. When he does he picks up an additional 15 ES points. This increase in efficiency represents a daily gain of 50% of margin or 50% of capital if a person is "all in".

So lets look at trading using this leading indicator. The scalar is giving you a specific denominator as time passes. From this you can measure velocity and acceleration.

when does a long hold end?

When does change after the long hold begin?

Remind your self that trends overlap (A fact unknown to Pring, Covel, Derman, the guys Bass wrote about, etc.... Also true for Goodboy, the three T's, etc.... Also unknown to detractors, OCD's, etc....). You have to keep this in mindconsciously if you are not an expert. Experts are unconsciously competent.

When does change optimize? Optimize means you are making the full profit of an ending segment and beginning to take full profit on the beginng of a segment.

When does the change period end? Some people think of this as a myth called "confirmation"

When does the next continuation of a trend begin? You see a lot of inefficient systems useing this signal and susequent signals as components of "edge" setups.

Previously, you and I have been through a first chance second chance conversation. This is a rather coarse window for taking profits and getting into the next trade.

In this thread my "chance" did not afford anything that was "hindsight" or charts that were from the past, etc....

Redneck was really phishing when he started this "chance" he gave me. So he is quiet now and so the the x spurt. Redneck explained his trading limitations in his second post on ET; that has not and will not change as he sees others come to his skill level and move ahead. For him, like many others, only so much money making is possible. After that the money making levels are unbelievable or astonishing. the x spurt is an advanced beginner so he is dealing in "good" money only. Others who organization make 80% a year are hiring PhD's who only earn 4 or 400K a year for working for the man.

The FTT event is carved @ the optimum of change. I put up some leading Arithmetic that enable a person to see that moment on an OTR basis.

Carving and picking up 15 points for better effectivenss is intermediate level stuff.

The V, P relationship leads to EXPERT. Supporting it with a dozen leading indicators is "just" some tooling in support of a deductive system based upon logic and paradigm theory. You may notice most poeple just use induction and do the increasing popular buzz words called "Price Action".

EXPERTS use the leading variable of price to trade. As you see that is not part of redneck's or the x spurt's vocabulary. Notice Arthur Deco missed the boat on this as well.


TIA
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Quote from blox87:

Here is a chart for shits and kicks,
Monday looks to be bloody , so watch your money,
But what do I know , I may be your foe.
Good gambling to you, careful what you do.
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shitz 'n' kicks, bounce off 1040 by the end of the week...
 
Quote from Redneck:

Alas the list grows
To me the word is as plain as my nose

Price’s action is what I had said
Price is sometimes lively other times dead

But is does what it does with purpose and thought
Our job is but to be ready – exactly as we aught

This analysis technique of which I do speak
If worth a damn should give us a peek

As to what we must do and where we should be
If we ever to make GOOD money

RN
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Damn RN, I hate it when you do that:D

now we do know, the start of the show
price it be so, it moves to and fro
RN he says "I", and in front of the EYE
but what can it be, to let us all SEE:cool:

RN will not speak, for that is too weak
it must be worked out, to have any clout
TE must now think, what is in ink
no good it will be, unless bizze bee

now this is the stuff, that makes trader tuff
the brain is u know, not made to be slow
the reason most sit, and act like a git
to school it is so, that makes all act slow

to work out a clue, it is wise to be shrew
to think like RN, one must take a pen
with ink make it so, easy to show
then dots will appear, to make it more clear

IA you do say, each other day
with price moving so, hither and fro
so how do we know, just where it might go
TE knows a way, but not what RN say:D

one step at a time, keep it in rhyme
for words do flow best, when easy and jest
to many too tight, to last in the fight
think they are tall, know really fuk all:D

RN is guy, to help you with eye
TE is the lad, to make you feel sad
the rest will be nice, and charge you a price
but we do not take, from others to make

the reason be such, as we have enough
no need to fool those, who can't see their nose
so when you do hear, nice picey with cheer
RN for the hunt, and TE the CUNT:D

TE
 
Quote from blox87:

Here is a chart for shits and kicks,
Monday looks to be bloody , so watch your money,
But what do I know , I may be your foe.
Good gambling to you, careful what you do.
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Monday may open gap down and move up,
Or open gap up and sell hard.
Monday may offer a trough fit for bulls,
Or a fruit-bearing tree bears bombard.

Traders come Monday are hungry for green,
And draw multiple lines in the sand.
They care not which line is the one that gets crossed.
They keep bull suits and bear suits at hand.

:cool:
 
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