If you side with Assad/Pukin' then you are communist!

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from Ricter:

I suspect that US geopoliticians think al qaeda in charge of Syria is a better outcome for the US. Maybe because this faction is bought and paid for, maybe because they're not that friendly to Iran, Russia, or China (the enemy of my enemy is my friend fallacy), maybe because Assad's Syria has become more profitable for our enemies than for us, or some combination of these. The public never, ever gets these calculations, it can't stomach them.

I really wish I could find an excellent piece from years back that did actual quantification of the ROI on various US military interventions, but I can't. The gist was, for the most part, our interventions pay more than they cost, all things considered. It took into account the landed cost of our various inputs over time, etc.

I understand and agree with all of this. But that's why I am against it. We're claiming it's a chemical attack that justifies killing more people (the chemical attack was probably executed to force western intervention, meaning innocents kill that way as well). We're being sold a bullshit story for a bullshit cause that has nothing to do with us, and one we cannot afford to partner up with a group that we went to "War" against a few short years ago.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

I understand and agree with all of this. But that's why I am against it. We're claiming it's a chemical attack that justifies killing more people (the chemical attack was probably executed to force western intervention, meaning innocents kill that way as well). We're being sold a bullshit story for a bullshit cause that has nothing to do with us, and one we cannot afford to partner up with a group that we went to "War" against a few short years ago.

I was arguing, though, that it does have something to do with us, or it might, in a business sense. In a way that's fair because without business we can't defend ourselves. (Perhaps the American Empire has taken that a bit too far.)

But history shows us that leaders do start wars over pride, also. Perhaps that's what Obama is doing. It appears Putin is painting himself into the same corner.

 

[Scataphagos]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

"... We're being sold a bullshit story for a bullshit cause that has nothing to do with us, and one we cannot afford to partner up with a group that we went to "War" against a few short years ago.

Ditto!

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from Ricter:

I was arguing, though, that it does have something to do with us, or it might, in a business sense. In a way that's fair because without business we can't defend ourselves. (Perhaps the American Empire has taken that a bit too far.)

But history shows us that leaders do start wars over pride, also. Perhaps that's what Obama is doing. It appears Putin is painting himself into the same corner.

I know what you're arguing. I get it. Obama is trying to play chess, Putin is trying to play Go (the Chinese game). Obama has to win, Putin just had to deny Obama's offense. One is much easier to accomplish than the other.

We shouldn't have anything to do with it.

 

[PiggyBank]

Quote from FortuneTeller:

Okay, hopefully you don't keep editing your response. Duh.

If Romney was President Syria would already be rubble by now. He would tell everybody (including you) to screw off. So why not back Obama to do the same thing? Because he is a Democrat? WTF! It's the principle of the matter. KIDS were frickin' killed with chemical weapons! Don't you get it? Letting Assad get away with this shit means more chemical warfare in the Middle East. Sounds good to you? Sure seems like it. You are just a Russian/Asian commie that is against whatever America does no matter what. It's obvious.

Why the fuck is it our problem if "kids in the ME are killed by chemical weapons?" Let them sort out their own mess. 110k people already killed by the govt in syria, you don't think more than 400 of them were kids!? But because they used some so called WMD (that only killed 1400 people) now we have to stop them? Pfft, please.

Also, lets not forget that there are, for certain, al qaeda linked groups fighting with the FSA. They are our real enemy in the world and we should not do ANYTHING that will help them, directly or indirectly. ever.

 

[Tsing Tao]

Quote from PiggyBank:

Why the fuck is it our problem if "kids in the ME are killed by chemical weapons?" Let them sort out their own mess. 110k people already killed by the govt in syria, you don't think more than 400 of them were kids!? But because they used some so called WMD (that only killed 1400 people) now we have to stop them? Pfft, please.

Also, lets not forget that there are, for certain, al qaeda linked groups fighting with the FSA. They are our real enemy in the world and we should not do ANYTHING that will help them, directly or indirectly. ever.

Communist!

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

I know what you're arguing. I get it. Obama is trying to play chess, Putin is trying to play Go (the Chinese game). Obama has to win, Putin just had to deny Obama's offense. One is much easier to accomplish than the other.

We shouldn't have anything to do with it.

Putin is playing checkers, simply reading the American media. This whole scenario is based on US, not Russian, initiative, whatever the motive(s).

 

[Grandluxe]

Quote from FortuneTeller:

So yeah. Step up and be counted. I bet you voted socialist in the last election. Good job commies.

Okay, I already sent Putin co-ordinates of the White House.

President Putin, Please fire RSM-56_Bulava missile ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSM-56_Bulava ) to above coordinates when Obama returns from G-20 meeting. All US military forces stand down to allow for execution of the traitor.

 

[FortuneTeller]

Quote from Tsing Tao:

Because we don't know who ordered/executed the chemical weapons strike. Apparently, your security clearance is higher than anyone's here - you must have definitive information on that, so perhaps you can explain why Assad would order a chemical strike on his people when he knew that would bring in the West, and he was already winning the conflict against the opposition without it? Perhaps you can explain how that makes sense.

Perhaps you can also explain how this is not about a natural gas pipeline that Obama wants to go from Saudi Arabia to Turkey (and has to pass through Syria), despite the Saudis admitting this and even offering to fund the attack on Syria to get it?

I doubt there's any ability for you to explain anything here other than your droning on about non-existent communists and other random stupidity. So drone away.

Assad might figure if he can get away with using chemical weapons once (with Mother Russia's blessing) then he CAN USE THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN with no response! Can't you see it? OMG! And who says he is winning the war? How did the rebels get the chemicals? From who? Russia? America? They made them by themselves? Assad let them steal them? What?

And how is the USA going to put in a pipeline with a few airstrikes and no boots on the ground? With magic?

 

[FortuneTeller]

Quote from Grandluxe:

Okay, I already sent Putin co-ordinates of the White House.

President Putin, Please fire RSM-56_Bulava missile ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSM-56_Bulava ) to above coordinates when Obama returns from G-20 meeting. All US military forces stand down to allow for execution of the traitor.

Mother Russia does have bombs aimed at the White House you know. And many other targets for that matter. Not funny.