"If there were no God, there would be no atheists

BernardRichards · Dec 9, 2009

Quote from Gabfly1:

Posited by whom and on what authority? By definition. This is what the word God means in metaphysics -- a First Cause.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument And by the authority vested in me by the US Government.

A book that described the world as flat?I didn't know we were discussing any books here. Logical fallacy of ignoratio elenchi Gabfly1!

This has been covered before, but based on the comments given in this thread a number of people missed these videos which I feel are important to this discussion so here goes:

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BernardRichards · Dec 9, 2009

Quote from stu:

God would need existence to exist before god could exist as a first cause.
Existence is posited as the irreducible principle, not god.

I just love your sophistry Stu. You got this straight out of the cosmological argument, right?

What you wrote sounds like the joke I posted before about atheists.

An atheist buys an ancient lamp at an auction, takes it home, and begins to polish it. Suddenly, a genie appears, and says, âIâll grant you three wishes, Master.â The atheist says, âI wish I could believe in you.â The genie snaps his fingers, and suddenly the atheist believes in him. The atheist says, âWow. I wish all atheists would believe this.â The genie snaps his fingers again, and suddenly atheists all over the world begin to believe in genies. âWhat about your third wish?â asks the genie. âWell,â says the atheist, âI wish for a billion dollars.â The genie snaps his fingers for a third time, but nothing happens. âWhatâs wrong?â asks the atheist. The genie shrugs and says, âJust because you believe in me, doesnât necessarily mean that I really exist.â

jficquette · Dec 9, 2009

Quote from stu:

God would need existence to exist before god could exist as a first cause.
Existence is posited as the irreducible principle, not god.

God doesn't exist in time and space so the idea of "Before" is not applicable relative to our frame of reference.

kut2k2 · Dec 9, 2009

Quote from stu:

<s>GOD CREATED</s> THE UNIVERSE
<s>GOD</s> JUST EXISTS

Occam's Razor

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Gabfly1 · Dec 9, 2009

Quote from BernardRichards:

This has been covered before, but based on the comments given in this thread a number of people missed these videos...

You can't possibly be serious. And yet, you are.

killthesunshine · Dec 9, 2009

Quote from BernardRichards:

This has been covered before, but based on the comments given in this thread a number of people missed these videos which I feel are important to this discussion so here goes:

i hate my hate my heavenly father because i hate my earthly father?

give me a break

he's dipshit

kut2k2 · Dec 9, 2009

Quote from jficquette:

God doesn't exist in time and space so the idea of "Before" is not applicable relative to our frame of reference.

There's a green centaur that follows you everywhere. Of course it's invisible and immaterial, ergo you can't detect it. You should just take my word for it ... you know, like I should just take your word for your god/creator.

Kassz007 · Dec 9, 2009

Quote from kut2k2:

There's a green centaur that follows you everywhere. Of course it's invisible and immaterial, ergo you can't detect it. You should just take my word for it ... you know, like I should just take your word for your god/creator.

A talking dog lives in my closet. He's invisible and undetectable, but I know he is there. I don't need to provide any evidence of his existence. In fact, I have decided that since you can't prove that the invisible, undetectable talking dog living in my closet is not real, I conclude that the talking dog does indeed exist. I will also use this fact in every discussion related to whether or not the talking dog in my closet exists.

Ricter · Dec 9, 2009

If these invisible dogs and unicorns are giving comfort during our all too short, tragic time on Earth, what's the harm?

Free Thinker · Dec 9, 2009

Quote from Ricter:

If these invisible dogs and unicorns are giving comfort during our all too short, tragic time on Earth, what's the harm?

the believers of superstition want everyone else to acknowledge that their invisible friend not only exists but created the world. then they want schools to teach that their invisible friend is behind everything that happens in the world and if we just say the correct majic words this invisible friend will do miracles like cure cancer. you see no harm in that?